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 Posted:   Sep 23, 2015 - 6:28 PM   
 By:   Jim Barg   (Member)

My library has a copy of that book as well. Fascinating reading, particularly as someone who was born well after the roadshow era.

Hopefully The Hateful Eight's 70mm shows are a reasonable facsimile of that style.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2015 - 6:29 PM   
 By:   Jim Barg   (Member)

Double post.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2015 - 7:36 PM   
 By:   Don Norman   (Member)

Here's an opportunity to see LAWRENCE OF ARABIA in 70mm this Saturday in Hollywood:

http://www.americancinemathequecalendar.com/content/lawrence-of-arabia-20


OMAR SHARIF REMEMBERED

70mm Print!

LAWRENCE OF ARABIA


Introduction by film historian Jeremy Arnold, author of Lawrence of Arabia: The 50th Anniversary.

LAWRENCE OF ARABIA

1962, Sony Repertory, 216 min, UK / USA, Dir: David Lean

This sweeping epic of Arab infighting and British colonialism won seven Academy Awards including Best Picture. Director David Lean's masterpiece, lensed to perfection by Freddie Young and set to Maurice Jarre's majestic score is based on the daring campaigns of real-life British military figure T.E. Lawrence during WWI. The amazing cast includes Peter O’Toole (in his first feature), Omar Sharif (in his first major English-speaking role as Sherif Ali), Anthony Quinn, Jack Hawkins, Claude Rains and Alec Guinness as Prince Feisal. Made to be seen on the big screen!

Egyptian Theatre • Sat, Sep 26, 2015 • 7:30pm















 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2015 - 8:19 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

When this great western was generally released in the UK there was no Intermission. Could anyone tell me where it originally occured?


Though the poster is probably in a nursing home by now, I thought I'd answer this 11 year old query as a point of general interest.

The Intermission for the Cowboys occurs after one of the boys (the plump one with the glasses) is pulled off his horse by Bruce Dern while chasing cattle. Dern dunks him in the river and terrifies him with a knife (all rather brutal; I'm surprised that was permitted with a child actor in the early 70s). The boy is released and as Dern watches him ride away the music fades up. Not a spectacular cliffhanger or anything but very effective.

In Oz all these films seemed to receive Roadshow treatment, including some of the poor ones like Sodom & Gomorrah. Ask me where the Intermission occured in just about any epic of the period and I can probably tell you. In fact in the case of some, like Spartacus, I can point out alternate Intermission points, since both wer used at some point, or year, in Oz cinemas.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2015 - 8:33 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

I loved the Roadshow Presentation some of my favorites; "Ben-Hur", "Sand Pebbles", "2001", "Khartoum", "Patton", "Spartacus, "Lawrence of Arabia" and many others, it was a wonderful time to go yo the movies. A time and place that will never happen again.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2015 - 9:55 PM   
 By:   Great Escape   (Member)

The Kelly's Heroes DVD has an intermission but I don't think the film had one theatrically.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2015 - 12:21 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The Kelly's Heroes DVD has an intermission but I don't think the film had one theatrically.


Certainly the U.S. 35mm prints did not have an intermission. But the film initially played as a 70mm roadshow in Britain and elsewhere in Europe, and the intermission card would have been prepared for those showings. There may also have been some 70mm U.S. showings, although I can't confirm that. MGM seems to have prepared some advertising for them however, as seen below.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2015 - 12:29 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

The Kelly's Heroes DVD has an intermission but I don't think the film had one theatrically.

The film had an intermission in the UK.

Even standard 35mm film prints on general release would retain roadshow intermissions which doesn't seem to have been common in the U.S.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2018 - 12:00 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Can anyone identify the last film that had showings in the U.S. under a reserved seat basis?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2018 - 1:10 AM   
 By:   The CinemaScope Cat   (Member)

Can anyone identify the last film that had showings in the U.S. under a reserved seat basis?

I believe it was Michael Cimino's notorious Heaven's Gate which played in a reserved seat roadshow engagement in New York City for three days only before it was switched to general release. While subsequent films with the "Roadshow" trimmings like Reds (intermission) and Gandhi (intermission, entr'acte) have been shown, they were not reserved seat engagements.

However, when I saw The Hateful Eight in its roadshow engagement in Los Angeles, you could reserve your seats in advance but that was because it was an Arclight cinema where you can reserve seats in advance for any film playing, not because it was specifically a reserved seat attraction.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2018 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   mulan98   (Member)

My goodness! Just checked in to find all these fascinating roadshow recollections. Will digest them in detail. many thanks all.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2018 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

[However, when I saw The Hateful Eight in its roadshow engagement in Los Angeles, you could reserve your seats in advance but that was because it was an Arclight cinema where you can reserve seats in advance for any film playing, not because it was specifically a reserved seat attraction.


Right. At the premium house at my local 16-plex, every show for every film is sold on a reserved seat basis.
(Regal calls it their RPX--Regal Premium experience-- house.) And at the newest Regal 12-plex near me, every seat in every theater is a reserved seat, because every house has those reclining seats.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2018 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

I saw it at the DeMille in NYC. You had your choice as to how you saw the film. You could see in all in one day (matinee and evening) or on two days. You had to buy tickets to both parts. I saw it one week apart on Sunday matinees. However, I enjoyed Part One so much I was sorry that I was not seeing Part Two the same day. The King Vidor version paled in comparison. It was a dubbed version. The current DVD gives the viewer the choice of how to watch the film (original soundtrack and subtitles or dubbed in English).The film was later shown over the period of a week on late night television, but it was cut quite a bit as I remember. Even the VHS releases which came in elaborate boxed sets were less than the 6 hours of the theatrical version. It wasn't until the current widescreen release that a somewhat longer version was available on home video (DVD). One quote that I have seen on the running time in the Soviet Union (where the film was released over a period of time as it was completed) was given as 507 minutes according to the Halliwel Film Guide. That's a long 8 hours and 27 minutes.


I love the Russian WAR AND PEACE, and saw the 6 1/2 hr. version at least 5 times, the most recent at the L.A. County Museum of Art, in a subtitled print that was touted as the best available.
During one of several intermissions, I overheard 2 diehard fans of the film talking about how a complete 70mm print was found in Ukraine, but political changes there have made communication diffiicult. I‘d love to see the missing almost 2 hrs.

Likewise, the Russian version of director Bondarchuk’s WATERLOO was reportedly some 4 hrs. long, though the running time in the West was about half that.

Also, on the subject of souvenir programs, of which I have many, a lot of films sold them, even though they were not roadshows. THE EGYPTIAN, 55 DAYS AT PEKING, MARY POPPINS, MAHLER, TOMMY, THE BOY FRIEND, CROMWELL, THE MUSIC LOVERS, and WATERLOO, for example. Most of which appear now and then on E-bay.

Also, does anyone know if the roadshow print of LORD JIM was longer than the DVD running time of 154 mins.? The mother of a friend saw the roadshow in New York, then later in Pittsburgh, and said the New York version was longer, with more philosophy from James Mason, among others.

Also, was the King Vidor WAR AND PEACE shown as a roadshow, and did it have overture, intermission, entr’acte, and exit music cues? I can guess where the intermission was, after Fonda sees the comet. I’ve always loved that score. And, was there a souvenir program, because I’m not aware of one. There was a book at the time, telling the story with photos from the film, including shots of scenes not in the current version available.

Over the years, I’ve seen prints of 55 DAYS AT PEKING and the Zefferelli ROMEO AND JULIET that have intermissions, even though the versions I originally saw in theaters lacked them.

BTW: there’s a well documented book about roadshows, called “Movie Roadshows, by Kim R. Holston, which is an excellent reference.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2018 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

A couple of questions regarding souvenir programs--are the hard-cover books that came with the boxed-set LPs of titles such as BEN-HUR, KING OF KINGS, and MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY the same as the programs sold at theater showings? There is a similar type hard-cover book for Vidor's WAR AND PEACE. Was this the souvenir program? The only other hard-cover souvenir program that I can recall is HAWAII.

Thanks,
Greg



As far as I can tell, the hardcover 1956 WAR AND PEACE photo book is an affiliated publication, but not the program, as it is only a (very) abridged version of the novel, with no reference to the making of the movie.

Other hardbound programs include: SOUTH PACIFIC, HOW THE WEST WAS WON, PORGY AND BESS, THE BIG FISHERMAN, THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD, THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF THE BROTHERS GRIMM, MY FAIR LADY, EL CID, WINDJAMMER, HATARI, and SPARTACUS.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2018 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   FredF   (Member)

I saw many of the roadshow films back in the late 50's and 60's. My favorite roadshow experience was "West Side Story". I went with my parents, and my father was not happy with the assigned seats for some reason and he complained to the staff at the theater, Grauman's Chinese Theater in Hollywood. The usher took us up some stairs and we ended up watching the film in what was then Grauman's personal private box.

Just over a month ago I saw 2001: A Space Odyssey at the Hollywood Arclight theater in Christopher Nolan's 70mm film version. This is certainly a film warranting the big screen experience. The audience was largely filled with guys my age who remembered seeing it in a roadshow presentation in the 60's!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2018 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)


I believe it was Michael Cimino's notorious Heaven's Gate which played in a reserved seat roadshow engagement in New York City for three days only before it was switched to general release.



I saw HEAVEN’S GATE in its premier release in New York, in November of 1980. It was not reserved seats, but, because of a more or less unanimously hostile reception, it was pulled from release by United Artists after only six days, so as not to qualify for the Oscars. Interestingly, on leaving the theater, Cinema I on the upper East Side as I recall, I was interviewed by TV movie critic Joel Siegel. (I wonder if that clip still exists...)

A much shorter version was released some months later, to much derision, eventually becoming the cause of the demise of the studio.

It eventually garnered a better reputation, but that took decades.
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 Posted:   Jul 5, 2018 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)


I believe it was Michael Cimino's notorious Heaven's Gate which played in a reserved seat roadshow engagement in New York City for three days only before it was switched to general release.



I saw HEAVEN’S GATE in its premier release in New York, in November of 1980. It was not reserved seats, but, because of a more or less unanimously hostile reception, it was pulled from release by United Artists after only six days, so as not to qualify for the Oscars. Interestingly, on leaving the theater, Cinema I on the upper East Side as I recall, I was interviewed by TV movie critic Joel Siegel. (I wonder if that clip still exists...)

A much shorter version was released some months later, to much derision, eventually becoming the cause of the demise of the studio.

It eventually garnered a better reputation, but that took decades.
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The premiere showing of Heaven's Gate at the Cinema 1 in NYC in 70mm was certainly a roadshow film. I purchased tickets way in advance for the 2nd day. The full roadshow trappings...overture, intermission with entr'acte. Don't recall if it had any exit music. Might have. No souvenir program.
By the end of the week I believe it was pulled. Being the shortest roadshow run I ever encountered. Shorter than Cheyenne Autumn and Barabbas. Perhaps Roots of Heaven was as short but I did not see that at The Palace...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2018 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I saw HEAVEN’S GATE in its premier release in New York, in November of 1980. It was not reserved seats,
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The premiere showing of Heaven's Gate at the Cinema 1 in NYC in 70mm was certainly a roadshow film. I purchased tickets way in advance for the 2nd day. The full roadshow trappings...overture, intermission with entr'acte. Don't recall if it had any exit music.



You both may be right. It could had advance ticket sales, but still no reserved seats.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2018 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

According to an article in the 6 November 2006 Variety:

"Reaching into Hollywood’s past for an old-fashioned marketing approach, DreamWorks and Paramount will throw a roadshow for “Dreamgirls” in Los Angeles, Gotham and San Francisco, charging $25 per reserved seat.

"Roadshow kicks off Dec. 15 at the Cinerama Dome in Hollywood, New York’s Ziegfeld Theater and the Metreon in San Francisco. Exclusive engagement will run 10 days, with one show per night and matinees added on the weekends.

"Those shelling out their $25 also will get a limited-edition program. There will be no commercials or trailers before “Dreamgirls” rolls and no intermission."

https://variety.com/2006/film/markets-festivals/d-works-takes-girls-on-road-1117953449/

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2018 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

I saw HEAVEN’S GATE in its premier release in New York, in November of 1980. It was not reserved seats,
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The premiere showing of Heaven's Gate at the Cinema 1 in NYC in 70mm was certainly a roadshow film. I purchased tickets way in advance for the 2nd day. The full roadshow trappings...overture, intermission with entr'acte. Don't recall if it had any exit music.



You both may be right. It could had advance ticket sales, but still no reserved seats.



As far ad I remember it was shown Reserved Seats. That said I reviewed comments on Cinema Treasures for the Cinema 1 Theater. Someone commented in 2005 that it was reserved performances and not reserved seats. So my memory could be mistaken.. Ryan’s Daughter also had what was referred to as a Reserved Performance engagement when it originally played at the Ziegfeld in NYC.

 
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