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 Posted:   Dec 21, 2016 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   emusician   (Member)

I'll buy two copies if it helps the cause!

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2016 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Unfortunately it would seem only Varese know what the situation is with Dracula.

Gee, MV seems to know the situation. And Varèse doesn't own this one, unless they somehow bought the rights not realizing the tape situation.

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2016 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I will buy the mono mix anytime. I like the old-fashioned mono.

There's mono and there's mono. MV also said they are "bad sounding." I took that to mean not simply monophonic.

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2016 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

I'd buy a complete Dracula rerecording in a millisecond...

I've argued before that that Nic Raine would inevitably rush some of the cues on a re-recording of this score; some of the cues that need a greater retard or greater dynamic contrast to be effective (see "The Night Visitor" cue to see what I mean.).

It doesn't mean a Tadlow/Prometheus recording of this would be bad. It would only mean that we'd all be spending 20-plus dollars, and still need the Varese CD to derive maximum impact out of some of these cues.

A harsh judgement I realize, Ford Thaxton, but the COPP's recording history validates it. A long-developed state of generally excellent performances under duress is not a state of complete excellence.

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2016 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

We've already been robbed of the new recording of The Ten Commandments...

Unless there are some obstacles to record this one again... eg Williams himself... I'd say just go for this...


This is one of the JW scores that has to be heard in proper sound quality and entirety.

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2016 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I've argued before that that Nic Raine would inevitably rush some of the cues on a re-recording of this score; some of the cues that need a greater retard or greater dynamic contrast to be effective (see "The Night Visitor" cue to see what I mean.).

If you can tell the inevitable future, how are the Mets going to do next season?

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2016 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

Poorly.

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2016 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

mstrox, I find your powers of clairvoyance far more convincing than BornOfAJackal's.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2017 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   christian.lauliac   (Member)

Hello everybody,

Informations updated: 04/13/2017.

Although I can not go into too much detail about the following, a very reliable source of mine had the following exchange with three people involved in the original dubbing and recording of 1979's DRACULA.

Most unfortunately, following the original sessions held at Anvil studios, most of the master stereo tapes were ERASED. This was done at the time for outrageous reasons, i.e.: crass commercial ones. Anvil Studios was then in deep financial trouble, hence most of the surviving tapes were erased and reused for other commercial purposes.

This is very sad news indeed. Personaly, I can't believe the late Eric Tomlinson would have approved such an awful turn of events.

Suffice to say, the people in charge at Anvil Studios then were responsible for such a terrible decision, just a few months shy before their closing in mid-1980 (August '80.)

This is a major loss in filmmusic History. frown

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2017 - 1:59 AM   
 By:   CédricD   (Member)

Unfortunately I can confirm this information (coming from the same source I guess, Christian wink).

Let's hope VCL will restore the album.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2017 - 5:11 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

So, it's music stems or faithful re-recording for any possible future release expansion.
That is, of course, if Williams' PEOPLE would ever allow it.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2017 - 6:08 AM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

Sources tell me We Ain't Found Sh*t! Records is on it. So no worries.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2017 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

I guess we'll have to hope that someone re-records the score at some point. A damned shame though.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2017 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   christian.lauliac   (Member)

Unfortunately I can confirm this information (coming from the same source I guess, Christian wink).

Let's hope VCL will restore the album.


Yes, we've had this info from the same source this week... wink

To go into more details, this info was obtained by Dean Humphreys, son of Gerry Humphreys the original dubbing mixer on DRACULA.

Dean has kept in touch with Eric Tomlinson's assistant, and it is he who confirmed that most of these tapes were erased at the time, in order to save money.

I am honestly quite flabbergasted people would do this at the time, in particular with such an important score and to John Williams, who was at the time a major client of Eric Tomlinson's and Ken Cameron (owner of Anvil).

It is a sad end for such a great score.

Now, maybe good quality music stems could be salvaged and restored ?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2017 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Now, maybe good quality music stems could be salvaged and restored ?

Even if they're mono, that doesn't scare me the way it does some people. And it's still better than nothing.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2017 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I cannot believe someone who worked there at the time, or a well connected fan, (Williams was already BIG back then, in the wake of JAWS & STAR WARS) didn't make a decent sounding dub that is lying in wait for some Matessino Magic.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2017 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Yes. The music stems for TOM SAWYER weren't perfect, but if that was the only way I was getting that score (my most played CD of recent times), then so be it (and thank JW for Quartet).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2017 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I cannot believe someone who worked there at the time, or a well connected fan, (Williams was already BIG back then, in the wake of JAWS & STAR WARS) didn't make a decent sounding dub that is lying in wait for some Matessino Magic.

If it's true, it's frightening, isn't it? So much disregard for movie and music history.... frown

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2017 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Sources tell me We Ain't Found Sh*t! Records is on it. So no worries.

For the win!

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2017 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

This news is devastating on many levels.

 
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