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 Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

For a well executed, high-end release--such that only 1-in-5,000 movie scores get the same level of commemoration--this got a hell of a lot of negative flak on this thread.

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • Incidentally, the 2-CD, $40 reduction some of us hoped was just around the corner never eventuated. So you stuck to your guns, Varese, and shot yourself in the foot.

    The "Complete Masters" 1-CD version doesn't count to that end? I wonder if the "extras" will be sold as their own box set or seperately, although the site does state: "The Spartacus boxed set we released in 2010 was a great success and is one of our best-reviewed soundtrack releases ever!". Who are we to ascertain?

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     Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 9:23 AM   
     By:   Last Child   (Member)

    The 1-CD release is the other unpalatable extreme. There's 4 CDs of original film score in the box, so maybe after it's sold out, Kritzerland can release those. wink

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 9:30 AM   
     By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

    The 1-CD release is the other unpalatable extreme. There's 4 CDs of original film score in the box, so maybe after it's sold out, Kritzerland can release those. wink

    Does Kritzerland actually have a deal with Universal (I know Bruce has been pursuing one, but don’t remember if he actually managed to get one)? If not, Intrada or LLL would be more likely for a less padded reissue of this score (I have not sprung for this due to a combination of cost and not wanting the two discs worth of Love Theme Variations).

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 9:51 AM   
     By:   Last Child   (Member)

    I wasn't serious; only thinking how he re-issued titles from Varese's Herrmann at Fox Box. The big difference is the Herrmann Box was only 1000 units and sold out fairly quickly, so there was still a demand. I'm not sure any label would be interested in Spartacus now, but you're right about the other two labels having connections.

     
     Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 11:11 AM   
     By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • The 1-CD release is the other unpalatable extreme. There's 4 CDs of original film score in the box, so maybe after it's sold out, Kritzerland can release those. wink

    Oh man, if that sale page reads "Remasterd Spartacus! That's right, we improved Robert Townson's all-time favorite score that even he thought was perfect as is!", the ego-shattering... the horror... wink

  • I'm not sure any label would be interested in Spartacus now, but you're right about the other two labels having connections.

    Not if Red Bitch Music has anything to say about it!

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     Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 7:56 PM   
     By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

    Wow! less than 35 left? I appreciate the heads up!!

    I put off getting it all this time because it was so much more than I wanted, at such a high price, but since it's about to vanish, and the single-disc version isn't really the stripped-down set that many of us hoped to get eventually, I finally caved and bought it.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 9:15 PM   
     By:   pp312   (Member)

  • Incidentally, the 2-CD, $40 reduction some of us hoped was just around the corner never eventuated. So you stuck to your guns, Varese, and shot yourself in the foot.

    The "Complete Masters" 1-CD version doesn't count to that end?


    Never heard of it. I'm afraid I'm completely out of the loop these days.

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     Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 10:18 PM   
     By:   A. A. Ron   (Member)

  • Incidentally, the 2-CD, $40 reduction some of us hoped was just around the corner never eventuated. So you stuck to your guns, Varese, and shot yourself in the foot.

    The "Complete Masters" 1-CD version doesn't count to that end?


    Never heard of it. I'm afraid I'm completely out of the loop these days.


    Oh, it's a great release! They took all of the score's surviving stereo material (disc 1 of the box set + 2 alternates) and released it on its own for $20.

    According to Varese website, there are still copies available too:

    https://www.varesesarabande.com/products/spartacus-the-complete-album-masters

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     Posted:   Feb 27, 2019 - 1:50 AM   
     By:   pp312   (Member)

    Just for curiosity I checked this release on Amazon and it's a complete schmozzle. The illustration is of the 6 disc set and half the reviews pertain to some Spartacus historical fiction. I've never seen Amazon wreck things up quite like that.

    Edit: Just looked again and it's disappeared. I sent a "correction" through their system; maybe they responded to it.

    Edit again: Nope, it's still there but only accessible searching directly from Google, otherwise it doesn't show. No info about tracks or anything and, as I say, half the reviews are of novels--SPARTACUS: THE GLADIATOR and SPARTACUS: REBELLION. El weirdo.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 27, 2019 - 2:17 AM   
     By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

    Just for curiosity I checked this release on Amazon and it's a complete schmozzle. The illustration is of the 6 disc set and half the reviews pertain to some Spartacus historical fiction. I've never seen Amazon wreck things up quite like that.

    Edit: Just looked again and it's disappeared. I sent a "correction" through their system; maybe they responded to it.

    Edit again: Nope, it's still there but only accessible searching directly from Google, otherwise it doesn't show. No info about tracks or anything and, as I say, half the reviews are of novels--SPARTACUS: THE GLADIATOR and SPARTACUS: REBELLION. El weirdo.


    Amazon is hopeless at combining items its deranged algorithms think are related into one listing.

    For example, the Gabriel Yared score to By The Sea, which was a download only, was also listed as a CD, but it was a CD of ocean wave white noise that was just also titled "By The Sea", lol.

    And they moronically combine all customer reviews from all versions of any item, meaning that 1-star reviews for old DVDs are listed under beautifully remastered Blu-Rays of the same film, etc.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 27, 2019 - 2:52 PM   
     By:   Les Jepson   (Member)

    I think their algorithms are the ones Charles Babbage binned.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 27, 2019 - 5:02 PM   
     By:   pp312   (Member)


    And they moronically combine all customer reviews from all versions of any item, meaning that 1-star reviews for old DVDs are listed under beautifully remastered Blu-Rays of the same film, etc.


    Yes, I'm aware of their shortcomings in that regard, but I have to say I've never seen a page where reviews of a CD were interspersed with reviews of a novel. They really are slipping.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 27, 2019 - 5:56 PM   
     By:   haineshisway   (Member)

    Let's do get real here. When they say 35 left that's probably near accurate. What they are NOT saying is that they never pressed the full amount. So, it's 35 left of what they actually pressed. The cost of this thing was humungous. I ran into Chris Kuchler one day and asked him how it was doing and he just rolled his eyes and basically said it was a disaster, sales-wise.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 27, 2019 - 6:00 PM   
     By:   Thgil   (Member)

    Let's do get real here. When they say 35 left that's probably near accurate. What they are NOT saying is that they never pressed the full amount. So, it's 35 left of what they actually pressed. The cost of this thing was humungous. I ran into Chris Kuchler one day and asked him how it was doing and he just rolled his eyes and basically said it was a disaster, sales-wise.

    No big surprise there. Who wanted to spend that much on ONE score? The fluff of the re-recordings, the DVD, and the book were what really shot them in the foot. If the presentation had just been the first four discs, that would have been the sensible way of doing it and a damn fine release of the score. I don't know what possessed them, but it was a bit much to say the least.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 27, 2019 - 6:24 PM   
     By:   Last Child   (Member)

    I can understand wanting to make something special instead of just 4 cds and a thick booklet, sort of like SAE's oversized BIG COUNTRY release. And if you break down the cost of what you get, it's not that expensive. Maybe it's the multimedia approach (which I assume increased the price) that turned off most fans, not unlike Stylotone's Deluxe treatment and Deluxe price.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 27, 2019 - 6:40 PM   
     By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


    Amazon is hopeless at combining items its deranged algorithms think are related into one listing.

    For example, the Gabriel Yared score to By The Sea, which was a download only, was also listed as a CD, but it was a CD of ocean wave white noise that was just also titled "By The Sea", lol.

    And they moronically combine all customer reviews from all versions of any item, meaning that 1-star reviews for old DVDs are listed under beautifully remastered Blu-Rays of the same film, etc.


    Yeah, just today I came across the listing for Ballet Russes (released by Intrada way back when) and it had a 1-star review from someone who thought it was the DVD. Now if this is Amazon's fault or idiocy I dunno, but...

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 27, 2019 - 7:40 PM   
     By:   Thgil   (Member)

    I can understand wanting to make something special instead of just 4 cds and a thick booklet, sort of like SAE's oversized BIG COUNTRY release. And if you break down the cost of what you get, it's not that expensive. Maybe it's the multimedia approach (which I assume increased the price) that turned off most fans, not unlike Stylotone's Deluxe treatment and Deluxe price.

    "Just 4 CDs and a thick booklet"? No one would have complained. It would have been every note of music recorded. That's far more than what had been available up to that point and would have been special in its own right. Breaking down the cost based on what the set contains is no comfort since: A. It's still just one score and B. The two CDs of covers, combined with the DVD and book are overkill that merely inflated the price. Breaking down the cost doesn't really do anything when you still have to buy superfluous add-ons that you'll likely never play.

     
     Posted:   Feb 27, 2019 - 8:21 PM   
     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

    The score must surely have meant something to you to have forked out for it. Regardless of what may come out in the future, the Varese Spartacus box sets the high watermark. If you don't open it and keep it sealed, the value of that set may fetch a pretty penny in future. That's what I would do. The Varese long version of The Great Escape seems to be premium value all the time, in comparison. Think of it as an investment.

    Even for $88. I want the ghost of Alex North to appear and air conduct every time I play it. For me there is no single film score ever recorded worth more than $50. Even then there may only be 1 or 2 worth that much.


    TELL that to LLL.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 28, 2019 - 1:44 AM   
     By:   CheadleHeathboy1947   (Member)

    Someone is ten years out. Spartacus was made 60 years ago, not 50.

     
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