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 Posted:   Oct 9, 2018 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

We know that it's not a Varese label release, but it is available for sale on the Varese website with no product note about the sound quality. That's what some of us are "upset" about.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2018 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)

I just got done listening to this on Amazon Music Unlimited and I was expecting better.

It's just as easy ripping the audio track from the DVD/Blu Ray - that's what I did for the
Thanksgiving special.

I don't think this CD release is meant for the serious Soundtrack collecting fan.

Oh well...

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2018 - 9:49 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

We know that it's not a Varese label release, but it is available for sale on the Varese website with no product note about the sound quality. That's what some of us are "upset" about.

That description came from the higher ups that we were not allowed to change. I did what I could with the audio so that a sample or two does have a sound effect in, so at least anyone who listens will know there is some sound effects. Best I could do on my end to help. I just saw it's #307 on Amazon out of hundreds of thousands of music titles, not bad. This title has a much wider audience than us film score folks, so this will sell and will sell great. It's unavailable on Amazon.com as they'v sold out of all the pre-orders. We won't even have a copy or two at the office. Pretty incredible. I'm happy it's out, in a perfect world there would be no effect sounds, but sadly the music and sound effects are married together. smile

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2018 - 10:34 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Peter, I think most of us understand that A) the music tapes are gone, so this is the only way this music can be presented, and B) it is certainly not your fault that the album art doesn't warn customers of this issue.

But about point B, it is those higher-ups you mention that people are annoyed with, and I don't think that's unreasonable.

It reminds me of one of my favorite Monty Python sketches, where John Cleese is a police inspector following up on complaints that Terry Jones’ confectionery shop is selling a chocolate called “Crunchy Frog” which actually contains an entire frog in it. Jones is extremely proud of his product, explaining that he can’t remove the bones because that’s what makes it crunchy, and when Cleese suggests that people are apt to think it’s some sort of “mock frog,” Jones insists they use only natural ingredients, “lightly killed." Finally, Cleese tells him “I must warn you that in future you should delete the words 'crunchy frog' and replace them with the legend 'crunchy raw unboned real dead frog' if you want to avoid prosecution!” To which Jones objects: "Think about our sales!"

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 3:38 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Peter, I think most of us understand that A) the music tapes are gone, so this is the only way this music can be presented, and B) it is certainly not your fault that the album art doesn't warn customers of this issue.

But about point B, it is those higher-ups you mention that people are annoyed with, and I don't think that's unreasonable.


The quaint old phrase "truth in advertising," which might sound like an oxymoron, comes to mind. Maybe omitting the facts isn't lying but it's very manipulative.

"I'm pleased and happy to repeat the news that we have caught and killed a large predator that supposedly injured some bathers. As you see, it's a beautiful day. The beaches are open, and people are having a wonderful time. 'Amity,' as you know, means 'friendship.'"

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 5:15 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)



It reminds me of one of my favorite Monty Python sketches, where John Cleese is a police inspector following up on complaints that Terry Jones’ confectionery shop is selling a chocolate called “Crunchy Frog” which actually contains an entire frog in it. Jones is extremely proud of his product, explaining that he can’t remove the bones because that’s what makes it crunchy, and when Cleese suggests that people are apt to think it’s some sort of “mock frog,” Jones insists they use only natural ingredients, “lightly killed." Finally, Cleese tells him “I must warn you that in future you should delete the words 'crunchy frog' and replace them with the legend 'crunchy raw unboned real dead frog' if you want to avoid prosecution!” To which Jones objects: "Think about our sales!"


Sooo love that sketch.. 'Cockroach Cluster'..'Anthrax Ripple'... magic!

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 5:46 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I just saw it's #307 on Amazon out of hundreds of thousands of music titles, not bad. This title has a much wider audience than us film score folks, so this will sell and will sell great. It's unavailable on Amazon.com as they'v sold out of all the pre-orders. We won't even have a copy or two at the office. Pretty incredible. I'm happy it's out, in a perfect world there would be no effect sounds, but sadly the music and sound effects are married together. smile

THIS is the whole reason why the "deception by omission" is such bullshit. WE know better than to trust a release like this. THEY don't. The grandmas and the casual fans. Wait until the reviews come in on Amazon.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 6:58 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I just saw it's #307 on Amazon out of hundreds of thousands of music titles, not bad. This title has a much wider audience than us film score folks, so this will sell and will sell great. It's unavailable on Amazon.com as they'v sold out of all the pre-orders. We won't even have a copy or two at the office. Pretty incredible. I'm happy it's out, in a perfect world there would be no effect sounds, but sadly the music and sound effects are married together. smile

THIS is the whole reason why the "deception by omission" is such bullshit. WE know better than to trust a release like this. THEY don't. The grandmas and the casual fans. Wait until the reviews come in on Amazon.


Really, are we gloating about ripping people off, or how shoddy a product can be and still sell?

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Exactly!

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Really, are we gloating about ripping people off, or how shoddy a product can be and still sell?

Is $12 a rip-off even if you're not a soundtrack fan accustomed to a $20 minimum? Or is that cheap to anyone? The low price should tell anyone here not to expect anything but...you get what you pay for.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Really, are we gloating about ripping people off, or how shoddy a product can be and still sell?

Is $12 a rip-off even if you're not a soundtrack fan accustomed to a $20 minimum? Or is that cheap to anyone? The low price should tell anyone here not to expect anything but...you get what you pay for.


If I purchased a piece of candy for five cents and it was stale, it's still a rip off.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

The low price should tell anyone here not to expect anything but...you get what you pay for.

A lot of new soundtrack CDs sell on Amazon for the same price or less.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

As a soundtrack fan who usually buys soundtracks with $20 minimum (except some lower Varese and Buysoundtrax prices), I would be very suspicious of anything almost half-price.
If there are brand new soundtrack releases on Amazon for $12 or less, then they coincidentally are titles I have zero interest in.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Bottom line anyone can put their DVD into the computer and record the audio with Audacity and burn it onto disc. Unless the packaging art is worth $12 dollars to you.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

It's a music & effects track, not the complete movie audio. Granted they're essentially the same in the non-dialog portions.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

It's a music & effects track, not the complete movie audio. Granted they're essentially the same in the non-dialog portions.

True, slight difference there, my bad.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

Pretty much every CD on Amazon is between $8.99 and $12.99. Every single disc pop album, new film score, and old film score I've bought in the past few years have been within that price range. As far as "new" scores, this includes Williams' The Post, both recent Star Wars albums, Justice League. Everything that is in print and not from a film score indie label on my wishlist is also in that range.

Even multi-disc releases are cheap. Such as Disney's mostly lovely multi-disc Legacy Collection releases. I recently bought the rather definitive 2-disc albums of Sleeping Beauty, Lady and the Tramp, and Cinderella for less than $13 each.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

So I can buy new and old single-disc releases from LLL, Intrada, Kritzerland, SAE, Varese, etc on Amazon for $12 or less...good grief, what a fool I've been! I want restitution!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Even multi-disc releases are cheap. Such as Disney's mostly lovely multi-disc Legacy Collection releases. I recently bought the rather definitive 2-disc albums of Sleeping Beauty, Lady and the Tramp, and Cinderella for less than $13 each.

I'm sorry, but the Legacy edition of Sleeping Beauty is far from definitive (don't about Cinderella or Lady though). All they did with Sleeping Beauty was slap some new art on the old expanded CD and a second disc with three demos, 1/6 of the original soundtrack album, and some tracks from a completely different album while leaving off a decent amount of unreleased score material.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

So I can buy new and old single-disc releases from LLL, Intrada, Kritzerland, SAE, Varese, etc on Amazon for $12 or less...good grief, what a fool I've been! I want restitution!

I know you're being purposely obtuse, but obviously limited editions from the specialty labels are not what we're talking about.

 
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