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 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 1:05 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

It is only in your hands for a short time, then you put it in your player and you listen to it. At that point the audio is all that matters.

Arguing semantics rarely makes someone sympathetic. A hard copy "in your hands" is the advantage, and it's precisely because the audio matters that you want reliable access to the music.

The advantages and disadvantages of the formats aren't going to change with the passage of time, even if we keep having this conversation every six months. Formats (still) aren't dying but if anything is getting closer, it's probably DVDs and Blu-rays. I'd be more concerned about playing CDs when they go, because players and computer drives might become less common. Perhaps significantly so.

That's the hardware that really matters if you consume physical media. And no, "consume" doesn't mean eat. wink


That is indeed a major concern: losing the equipment to play your CDs, DVDs, and Blu-rays on. Already laptops are being issued without CD/DVD drives, requiring the user to purchase an additional external drive. To that I say, what the hell? Jumping the gun a bit with this whole everything's moving to digital thing, aren't we? The world definitely is not there yet, even if Apple or whomever wants it to be. We aren't there yet by decades I'd say.

In the debate between physical media and digital, the one point that really matters is ownership. You don't own your digital content. You can't sell it if you ever one day decide that you're done with it. It's like renting an apartment. You can't sell the apartment when you don't need it anymore. You just leave. But with a CD, especially if it becomes collectible, you can make money back on your purchase if you ever decide you don't want to keep it anymore. Financially, there is no question between physical and digital. I've only purchased a handful of digital albums. Never again for me. It feels like throwing money into the wind.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 1:16 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

But with a CD, especially if it becomes collectible, you can make money back on your purchase if you ever decide you don't want to keep it anymore. Financially, there is no question between physical and digital. I've only purchased a handful of digital albums. Never again for me. It feels like throwing money into the wind.

As reissues of CDs become more common, fewer discs become collectible. You need to find some of the past threads we've had on how to plan for the disposition of your CD collection when you have left this mortal coil. There are plenty of tales of collectors who cannot even give their (or other's) CDs away. Make sure you leave your heirs a stipend to pay for hauling away and dumping your CD collection.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 1:20 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

I'm sure any used record store (yes, they still exist aplenty) would pay a good $100 or more to take a collection of 500+ CDs with at least a handful of super rare items. I'm sure surviving family members could find something to put that money toward.

Or you could donate them to Goodwill or the library and get a tax write-off. Cash in the bank.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 2:06 AM   
 By:   xantar   (Member)

I don't care about OWNING a soundtrack since I am not a collector, at least not anymore. I have been a proficient user of Spotify for the last 2 years, and I am super happy, no complains. I can find pretty much all modern soundtrack and many old ones. And if there is something I really like, I buy it.

And for anything else (special editions, complete scores, etc), the cost of buying overseas (I live in UK) has become outrageous and not worth it. I would definitely prefer a digital version of any future special edition, I would buy it straight away instead of paying an arm and leg for a limited release just because I am afraid that it may go sold out in few months ["arm an leg" in terms of bad exchange rate, shipping cost, post insurance, etc].

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 3:24 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

But with a CD, especially if it becomes collectible, you can make money back on your purchase if you ever decide you don't want to keep it anymore. Financially, there is no question between physical and digital. I've only purchased a handful of digital albums. Never again for me. It feels like throwing money into the wind.

As reissues of CDs become more common, fewer discs become collectible. You need to find some of the past threads we've had on how to plan for the disposition of your CD collection when you have left this mortal coil. There are plenty of tales of collectors who cannot even give their (or other's) CDs away. Make sure you leave your heirs a stipend to pay for hauling away and dumping your CD collection.


Yes, a few years back here, I got the impression that some people thought they were sitting on a fortune with their soundtrack collection. Times get hard...ship the collection to Sotheby's Auction House & let the bidding commence smile When the reissues started coming some people weren't best pleased (I remember Lukas taking some flak over The Omega Man reissue). My little house (one & a half bedrooms) is full of my lovely junk, music, movies, books, stuff, lots of stuff, an enormous amount of stuff. It all enriches my life, but it's all off to Charity shops & landfill when I die, I won't care, I won't be around.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 3:35 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

I think the point is being missed here. I'm not saying you can make a profit off purchasing CDs. I'm saying that should you ever wish to part with your CDs, you can make some money back. As opposed to buying digital, for which you will never receive back a penny.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 3:42 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I think the point is being missed here. I'm not saying you can make a profit off purchasing CDs. I'm saying that should you ever wish to part with your CDs, you can make some money back. As opposed to buying digital, for which you will never receive back a penny.

Yeah, as I posted, I'm a CD person. Some people do sell them & good luck to 'em, but I can't be bothered, for the money involved I'd rather take them to a Charity shop.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 4:24 AM   
 By:   couvee   (Member)

Turning almost 60 I find this vinyl revival a bit puzzling to say the least. I grew up with vinyl records with no other option to hear your music. Later the cassette tape arrived but that was even more inferior. I remember the times when I accidentally dropped an LP and it got scratched, so every future listen you heard a regular loud ‘scratch-sound’ every time it spun around as it got to the scratch-area. Or even more annoying, the hole would not be in the middle of the record (I can’t describe how bad that sounds). Sometimes a bad pressing had all sorts of surface noise and I sometimes had a hard time convincing the record-store to replace it (in that case it could take quite a while before they had it back in stock) and sometimes the seller would refuse saying there was nothing wrong with the record. Buying second-hand records was always a gamble, even good looking surfaces could hide a worn groove that sounded terrible. Very silent passages low in volume on classical LP’s, I remember all the pops and clicks of dust or damage. Even brand new records were never free of these noises.

What bliss it was when Philips/Sony introduced the CD. At last I could listen to distortion-free music, pure and simple. They took up less space. They were more expensive than vinyl but you gladly paid the extra money for such a superior music experience. I never missed (or noticed) the often quoted ‘warmer’ sound of vinyl and believe me, every record-player in a price range under $ 1000 is inferior to a CD. And probably only bats and dogs benefit from the extra frequency-range.

I was so happy to replace my beloved music from vinyl to CD format and never in my dreams would I imagine a vinyl-revival. The only explanation I can think of is that people who were born in an era with music of mp3 files floating on the internet discovered a toy that can reproduce music by mechanical means and it somehow gives them a magical fun involvement experience they never had before. Well, I had that experience, but not by choice. To each their own, but never again for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 4:33 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I agree with every word there.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 4:49 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Thanks for writing all that, couvee, it saved me the trouble. Seconded and thirded.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 5:23 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

I couldn't agree more couvee, I'm 65 this year and went from vinyl to cassette and then to cd. Vinyl was a nightmare, having to constantly clean the lp's, putting up with the clicks, the slightly distorted records and the scratches, oh the memories. I purchased a "Dust Bug" the ultimate record cleaner, it stood on a spindle alongside the deck and consisted of (for want of a better description) a toothbrush followed by a roller pad, it tracked across the lp just in front of the stylus and theoretically removed the dust from the record before the stylus could grind it into the surface.
The "Bug" sat on a metal spindle, and it wasn't long before I dropped a record onto the top of the spindle and scratched the "B" side of Two Mules For Sister Sara, from then on I had to put up with a loud click 33 times a minute whenever I listened to the album. My worst experience was taking my much loved soundtracks to a Hi Fi shop to have then cleaned by experts???? It appears that they soaked them in a solution, which cleaned the record and reduced static and BROUGHT THE LABELS OFF. I wasn't a happy fella. I don't understand the enthusiasm for vinyl, as far as I'm concerned vinyl died years ago and I can't think of any reason to resurrect it.

Cd's rule.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)



I still have my Walkman. Never got into the iPod craze.


I'd be lost without my iPod (I bought a spare 180g Classic, just in case this one conks out), every bit of music on it has been ripped from a CD I own. I'm just not interested in streaming or Spotify or any of that stuff, I'm not knocking it, it's just not for me. I needed to get off this technological roundabout & just use what suits me. I hardly ever use my mobile phone, it's quite old (like me).

So, yes, I still buy CDs.


I still have a CD player in my car. I just grab a few (burnt) CD's and take them with me. I never felt I needed my entire music collection at my finger tips. I chose something I want to play on the go, and that satisfies my needs.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)


That's the hardware that really matters if you consume physical media. And no, "consume" doesn't mean eat. wink


That is indeed a major concern: losing the equipment to play your CDs, DVDs, and Blu-rays on.


Yes, I mostly listen to music on my iPod, but every now & again I like to listen to a CD using a good (& big) pair of headphones. I had two players, but in the last year I've bought another two s/h from Charity shops, daft really, but I'm guaranteed to have a player that works. The last one, bought a few months ago from a Charity shop in Dorset, is the best player I have, a Kenwood separate amp & CD player for £20! I plug my big old Sennheiser headphones in there & wow!

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I doubt people would pay much for music in my cases the way I store them now. I toss everything but the booklet or sometimes the first page of the booklet only. And I keep that in front of the CD and the discs are what matters. All that paper and plastic gets tossed. My case fits a two disc release just fine if there is a good reason to keep both discs though sometimes I just toss disc 2 if it is just a repeat in the form of the album version of what I have on disc 1. It takes up way less space though and looks cleaner. Accessing stuff is also much easier than digging through stacks of discs and hoping they don't fall over in the process and break the brittle cases.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

My goodness... Sirusjr, you're a butcher from hell !!!! smile
I got goosebumps by just imagining what you're describing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I doubt people would pay much for music in my cases the way I store them now. I toss everything but the booklet or sometimes the first page of the booklet only. And I keep that in front of the CD and the discs are what matters. All that paper and plastic gets tossed. My case fits a two disc release just fine if there is a good reason to keep both discs though sometimes I just toss disc 2 if it is just a repeat in the form of the album version of what I have on disc 1. It takes up way less space though and looks cleaner. Accessing stuff is also much easier than digging through stacks of discs and hoping they don't fall over in the process and break the brittle cases.

Blimey. That's just wrong on so many levels. Even forgiving the "the discs are what matters" and then admitting you throw a lot of the disc 2's away. That's just a horrible way to treat/store a collection - or anything that you've paid good money for!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

I doubt people would pay much for music in my cases the way I store them now. I toss everything but the booklet or sometimes the first page of the booklet only. And I keep that in front of the CD and the discs are what matters. All that paper and plastic gets tossed. My case fits a two disc release just fine if there is a good reason to keep both discs though sometimes I just toss disc 2 if it is just a repeat in the form of the album version of what I have on disc 1. It takes up way less space though and looks cleaner. Accessing stuff is also much easier than digging through stacks of discs and hoping they don't fall over in the process and break the brittle cases.

Booklets have archives, that's important to me as much as owning a cd, it needs to be partnered proper. If you treat box-sets this way too. Dam.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 7:45 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

I still have a CD player in my car.

That brings up an interesting point. If we're going back to vinyl I would like to see someone install a turntable in a car. A better still, carry a turntable around while they're jogging. That cartoon is deadly accurate; vinyl is a pain in the butt in far more ways than just clicks and pops, warping, inner groove distortion, pre and post echo, etc, etc...

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 9:35 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

If it makes it any better, usually I open the booklet and remove the staples carefully to get the front off. I would love to save the booklets but some of the Intrada and FSM booklets are FAT and I can only fit so many of that size in my cases.

To answer other questions though, I often will keep anything over 3 discs separate though it depends again on how much I care about it. I'm not putting the 10 Commandments set from Intrada in there but others I care less about I will. It is a hard choice when I get some silly metal albums with fancy limited edition packaging and the booklet is glued in (by the spine) and the front of the booklet doesn't even have the proper front cover. I have to decide if I want to keep it all together or butcher it and move it into the case.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2017 - 11:22 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

My goodness... Sirusjr, you're a butcher from hell !!!! smile
I got goosebumps by just imagining what you're describing.


Sirusjr's collection—where CDs go to die wink

 
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