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Jul 5, 2015 - 1:06 PM
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McD
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Don't you love it when someone takes their opinion, so convinced of its value, and parades it around as a fact? The person who was once a "true believer" - in this case, of film score - becomes a fascist of reasoning of his own design.
And let's be serious, the absolute WORST thing you can do for your opinion or agenda is posting other people's links as a retort. As if some schpiel on the Internet is a bulletproof criticism of one of the most successful film collaborations in history?
Lampposts and drunks, friend. Lampposts and drunks.
Do you need to be treated like a child, LeHah, with everything explained to you?
It's a discussion forum. opinions will abound. If not, it's not going to be much fun. And the original post begins by stating that it's absolutely an opinion, and not only that that I don't expect much agreement. (Actually no agreement to all of it, as stated) That should be pretty cut and dried. For everybody.
The Spielberg part quoted by whoever got offended decided to ignore all of this, and not only this, but the word 'seems' in the sentence he was offended by. How much more handholding do you need.
And it's just petty childishness to not feel willing or able to put up an opinion, but attack someone else's. And to do so by just attacking the concept of opinions which will seemingly allow you to let off steam but excuse you from presenting one. Describing the thing under attack as 'great' is nothing at all. Hodor's argument.
And rather than go off on one, I linked to a previous discussion on the matter from this here website, that you were involved in and I was not. And re-added an important link from that discussion for anyone who doesn't want to wade through it all again, which lays out the points against the film pretty succinctly. Which doesn't mean you can't have a go at attacking all of these points in turn, of course, although I suspect you wont.
Not only that, but your comments about the link in question are incorrect. It isn't about the 'great collaboration' in movies at all. Nor is it 'internet schpiel'. It's a book extract from, I think, the only Hollywood A-list talent that has ever written about the movies in such detail, ruffling plenty of feathers. It might as well have been brought to you by Bothan spies.
The thread contains this from you as an entire post:
Starship Troopers is the single greatest anti-war film made since the original version of All Quiet On The Western Front. Nothing else comes close.
I'm not five years old, I can dissect this comment for what it is - an opinion - without being told so. I can also detect - without any annoyance whatsoever - that it is an opinion made from the point of view of being completely ill-informed but pretending otherwise. Again, no big deal at all, this is how people speak, and we can infer from the statement, despite it appearing otherwise, that YOU HAVE NOT SEEN EVERY FILM THAT COULD BE DEEMED ANTI-WAR to allow you to make such a statement. But we get the gist, and can agree / disagree with the general comment and move on. Or rant about what an opinion is, and how it should be properly expressed, and when disclaimers of lack of knowledge should be provided for anyone dumb enough to assume that you were in a position to write what you had when you were not. You know, Lehah 2015 style.
You didn't even make it to the lamppost.
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"2004: The year film music died"
LOL!
Film Music is alive and well.
Must be sad being you.
LOL!
Must be sad being you.
Because I like film music from after 2004?
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Jul 5, 2015 - 4:56 PM
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LeHah
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Don't you love it when someone takes their opinion, so convinced of its value, and parades it around as a fact? The person who was once a "true believer" - in this case, of film score - becomes a fascist of reasoning of his own design.
And let's be serious, the absolute WORST thing you can do for your opinion or agenda is posting other people's links as a retort. As if some schpiel on the Internet is a bulletproof criticism of one of the most successful film collaborations in history?
Lampposts and drunks, friend. Lampposts and drunks.
Do you need to be treated like a child, LeHah, with everything explained to you?
You didn't even make it to the lamppost.
What's hilarious about your schpiel is two things:
Firstly, you don't get the lamppost joke. The old quote is "You use points like a drunk uses a lamppost,: to support yourself, instead of to illuminate." which you are most certainly guilty of here.
But mostly, and I'm so happy someone else played the card, you're saying this less than two weeks after James Horner's passing. Really? Even if no one had said it, it was the elephant in the room. This is the card you want to play? Really?
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The more I think about it, this is a lousy thread. And with what happened only two weeks ago, it could be considered disrespectful.
Very.
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James Horner certainly kept film music alive post 2004.
Yes, he did.
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Jul 5, 2015 - 5:46 PM
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McD
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LeHah, you ignored everything I said, including all your misreading and total hypocrisy, then played the death card... So far you've said nothing except some blah blah about the presentation of opinions (when you're happy to post blatant BS as fact) and now you're 'supporting' by deflecting onto someone else's comment, already dealt with.
Be consistent: if you really feel that about the presentation of opinions, go back and delete all of your posts. And pick out a few from others whose presentations are in the LeHah style you no longer find acceptable (but that you might agree with, to save you looking like a complainer with no arguments of his own). Then pick through the Horner threads of last week - there are at least three - where Horner says something similar, or worse, and have a go at the OPs for being disrespectful by posting his negative opinions so soon after he passed. Someone already has in one of them, so you have the pre-support you crave.
Or simply stick to this - you've got nothing to say, say nothing.
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And then I think back to that initial flush of interest in the arm form from 1992-95, when I seemingly bought a half-dozen soundtracks per MONTH. 
) 
BTW take a listen to the GNP CD of the TV VTTBOTS - the solid but conventional Sawtell and the scintillating, musically bold Goldsmith. That's the fastest way you could learn both about paste and, more importantly, why people like Goldsmith are very very rare indeed.
