Thread topic created specifically to scold a member=bad idea.
And I qualify my statement by saying clearly that I don't think Peter has a malicious bone in his body (not that we've seen here yet, at least). He seems a good lad. But the fact is that once a thread such as this has been created, no matter how benign the intention, it provides other members, whose intentions are NOT so benign, the opportunity to pervert the thread into another form of written scorn (despite the smilies and winkies--which fool no one).
The proof is right here. It has already happened.
If someone must be taken to task, better it be in the context of the thread in which such disagreements originally appeared, than creating a new thread that ends up only serving as a lightning rod for insults.
OnlyGoodMusic brought up an interesting point. Should we only contribute if we have ONLY favorable things to say about a score or composer? Hope not. I want honest dialogue and opinions. I've never liked it when someone says, "If you don't love this score, don't contribute." I learn about scores by reading various opinions.
I read pros and cons about Man Of Steel. Saw it yesterday and did not care for the score. I've read pros and cons about the Lone Ranger score. Because it is a western and people mentioned themes, I'm going to listen more carefully. I own some Zimmer scores I like and haven't purchased those I didn't care for, and I enjoy reading various opinions.
Now the questions really become these. Are Yor's continuing Zimmer threads about open dialogue? About expressing various pro and con opinions? If people support Zimmer, are those who don't care for him including Yor accepting of different tastes? Are they supported or belittled for their views? Are these Zimmer threads started only to bash or to piss people off, or are they opened for respectful communication? I'm sensing that some of these topics are really about shoving emotional bamboo shoots up people's emotional fingernails or metaphorically waterboarding them instead of contributing to educational dialogue, and that is sad.
Nice try, Peter. Really. Too bad it is like "tears in the rain."
Nice one Joan. I actually like a lot of Yor's points and think he does it often in an entertaining way. Its just sometimes if folk say the same thing in every thread it gets a bit tired. It would be a very dull place if no-one could contribute a different or critical point of view just like you say. I think Peter really just wanted to steer some of the comments into a more constructive discussion instead of short jibes and that is to be applauded. I argue everyday with most of my mates about my musical taste as they all think there's nothing worth listening to in film music unless there's a song (well..most of them) but if folk give reasons it always means a better debate than just a slagging match.
I'm of the opinion that if you don't like it don't read it. There is an ignore button. Forum members keep threads going by participating. Many really good posts disappear in a day or two from lack of interest while some lesser ones go on for weeks. Fans of a particular composer (I'm not talking about Hans Zimmer only) can be very sensitive. Only you can allow yourself to be provoked.
I have a very easy philosophy. I post as if the person was in front of me, if you TRULY would say some of the more harsher stuff to some of these talented composers, by all means keep posting. I know for one I wouldn't.
There's enough negativity and sadness in the world. Let's come together at least in this small community since we share such a UNIQUE interest, film music.
I can't tell you how much I've learned from folks. I wasn't the biggest John Powell fan, I just wasn't getting his music. Then after hearing a lot of people tell me why they like him, it made me want to re-examine his work and low and behold I'm a Powell fan of most of his stuff now.
You can learn so much on this board if you can have more of an open mind and an open heart
Thanks Peter,
That was Lukas's intent. If people on the board talked to each other in person they would have real conversations. And the few trolls that did show up at his and your events proved to be decent people who seemed to take on a different personality when they got online. And they the ones that showed up also seemed to mellow afterward. It shows you are doing positive work here.
I'm of the opinion that if you don't like it don't read it. There is an ignore button. Forum members keep threads going by participating. Many really good posts disappear in a day or two from lack of interest while some lesser ones go on for weeks. Fans of a particular composer (I'm not talking about Hans Zimmer only) can be very sensitive. Only you can allow yourself to be provoked.
If people on the board talked to each other in person they would have real conversations. And the few trolls that did show up at his and your events proved to be decent people who seemed to take on a different personality when they got online.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing."
Hi Peter, yes I am in Redondo, just south of LAX - a lot closer than Indiana (my dad was a born there)! I appreciate what you have done to bring the community together. Have greatly enjoyed the FSM & subsequent Fans conferences.
Well, it is a fact that, as in all forms of art/craftsmanship, there is a high percentage of works that are routine, mediocre or worse. Perhaps in film music, because of the time pressures (then and now) and the sometimes questionable qualification of the composers (then and now), even more so. As such, a ratio of comments that's slightly tilted towards the negative could be expected.
Surely you're not suggesting that only those who have favourable things to say about a certain score or composer (such as the frequent and highly informative "It's great") should voice them, while the rest should keep quiet.
Very good comments. It's all in how you present your opinions. You can post them in a way that makes yourself sound intelligent and others will take more of a notice of instead of the IT SUCKS kind of attitude. It's all in the delivery!
Let's try to keep the positive momentum going on this board, we can if we all work together
OnlyGoodMusic brought up an interesting point. Should we only contribute if we have ONLY favorable things to say about a score or composer? Hope not. I want honest dialogue and opinions. I've never liked it when someone says, "If you don't love this score, don't contribute." I learn about scores by reading various opinions.
I read pros and cons about Man Of Steel. Saw it yesterday and did not care for the score. I've read pros and cons about the Lone Ranger score. Because it is a western and people mentioned themes, I'm going to listen more carefully. I own some Zimmer scores I like and haven't purchased those I didn't care for, and I enjoy reading various opinions.
Now the questions really become these. Are Yor's continuing Zimmer threads about open dialogue? About expressing various pro and con opinions? If people support Zimmer, are those who don't care for him including Yor accepting of different tastes? Are they supported or belittled for their views? Are these Zimmer threads started only to bash or to piss people off, or are they opened for respectful communication? I'm sensing that some of these topics are really about shoving emotional bamboo shoots up people's emotional fingernails or metaphorically waterboarding them instead of contributing to educational dialogue, and that is sad.
Nice try, Peter. Really. Too bad it is like "tears in the rain."
YOR is happy to be able to generate so much passionate debate as this!
Future events such as these will be important in the future.
