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 Posted:   Dec 1, 2005 - 6:27 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)


 Posted:   Dec 1, 2005 - 7:12 PM   
 By:   buysoundtrax   (Member)



Mark Banning

 Posted:   Dec 1, 2005 - 8:19 PM   
 By:   Intro to Jar Jar Binks   (Member)

Ordered. This'll make my third Conti/Stallone album.

 Posted:   Dec 1, 2005 - 8:38 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I can't believe the great John Huston directed this stinker!!!!

 Posted:   Dec 1, 2005 - 8:46 PM   
 By:   Oblicno   (Member)

Stinker? This is the one of the few films that brings a lump to the throat every bank holiday monday (and no, i'm not gonig to be sick). That and Zulu make me feel faintly patriotic, and not want to leave for Canada. Plus, it's the only film that you can see John Wark and Sly Stallone together. Who could ask for more.

Actually there was an interesting article on the true story that inspired the film. It has a less than happy ending, the Germans were beaten in the actual game that was played, but lots of the allied footballers were killed afterwards in camps. I think all the players were Poles too. But my recollection is a bit hazy for the moment.

 Posted:   Dec 1, 2005 - 8:50 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

PROMETHEUS CLUB titles have been $24.95 since the first of this year..

This is due to the fact they are European imports that have to be paid in EUROS...

Then the club started the Euro was about 90 cents, today it's about $1.18 and has gone as high as a $1.30

Mark Banning

Then why does SAE have it for a cheaper price???
Just curious.


 Posted:   Dec 1, 2005 - 8:55 PM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)

Its not that hard to figure out.

Basic economics here.
They offer that CD for a dolalr less than everyone else in hopes that people will choose to buy it from them?

OR possibly that people would opt to buy other CDs along with it from them. It could be a number of reasons but its not unheard of for retailers to go less than the competition.

 Posted:   Dec 1, 2005 - 9:09 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

there was an interesting article on the true story that inspired the film

I hope that in the true story, the players didn't give up their chance for escape from the camp so they could play the second half of the game!

I'm not saying that the film isn't effective, in its silly way. But really, it is pretty dopey. Nice "Great Escape"-y score, though.

 Posted:   Dec 1, 2005 - 9:46 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)


 Posted:   Dec 1, 2005 - 9:46 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

But SAE got us with "Hello", didnt they know that ? smile

Autographed cds are really sold out or will come up in ebay ? smile

Pretty bad that MATCH/HATCH affair. We dont do our homework... smile

128k clips would be great (same for RANSOM), thnx ! smile

 Posted:   Dec 1, 2005 - 10:45 PM   
 By:   crazyunclerolo   (Member)

I hope that in the true story, the players didn't give up their chance for escape from the camp so they could play the second half of the game!

I'm not saying that the film isn't effective, in its silly way. But really, it is pretty dopey. Nice "Great Escape"-y score, though.

Yeah, this movie's one of my "guilty pleasures". I know it's goofy, but somehow it works for me anyway. I think the thing that really salvages the film from outright silliness is the change that comes over the character of Max Von Sydow as the Nazi officer. As the game progresses, his love of soccer and sense of sportsmanship is so at odds with the philosophy behind the uniform he wears that he has to rethink everything he stands for. Von Sydow makes it work, and his character's catharsis is the engine around which the entire story turns. And of course, a great score, derivative though it is.

 Posted:   Dec 2, 2005 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   buysoundtrax   (Member)


We now have sound clips up for VICTORY (aka ESCAPE TO VICTORY) here:

Mark Banning

 Posted:   Dec 2, 2005 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   crazyunclerolo   (Member)

Wahoo, those tracks sound great!


 Posted:   Dec 2, 2005 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   gumdrops1   (Member)

Those tracks sound most excellent!

When I saw the film on its opening weekend, the packed audience cheered and I felt a rush of adrenalin as Conti's score triumphantly sounded through the speakers. It's one of the few moments in a movie theater where I got goose bumps from a perfect melding of music and images.


 Posted:   Dec 2, 2005 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   Mike S   (Member)

Quick question about content: Would I be correct in thinking that Tracks 6 - 10 are all taken from the final game sequence? I hope so. Conti wrote some really stirring music for the game montage sequence just before Pele's big kick ("Start Kick") and I hope it's in there!

 Posted:   Dec 2, 2005 - 5:17 PM   
 By:   Oblicno   (Member)

I ordered the score not really having remembered it, but listening to the samples brought it all back - the slow-mo and the overhead kick to draw the game. Ace stuff. Can't wait to listen to it now.

 Posted:   Dec 2, 2005 - 5:23 PM   
 By:   Oblicno   (Member)

Here is the real story:

The incredible story of the Dynamo soccer club of Kiev, one of Europe's finest, is one of the legendary events of WW II. After Kiev was occupied members of the Dynamo team found work in Kiev Bakery No. 1 and started to play soccer in an empty lot. The Germans offered them the opportunity to train in the Zenith Stadium and then suggested a "friendly" game with a team picked from the German army.

The Ukrainians accepted the offer, named their team Start and posters on June 12, 1942 announced: "Football [Soccer]. Armed Forces of Germany versus Kiev city Start." The Germans, in good physical shape, scored the first goal. Then Dynamo gained its strength and scored a goal. The old talent of Dynamo started to grow and they scored a second goal to the enthusiastic cheers of the Ukrainian spectators. The Germans were furious.

At half time a German Officer came from the Commandant's box to the Dynamo dressing room and ordered them "not to play so keenly" and threatened that they would be shot if they do not obey. The fans, completely unaware that the lives of Dynamo were threatened, cheered them on to a score of 4-1 when suddenly the German Commandant of Kiev, Major-General Eberhardt, and his staff left. The referee's whistle ended the game before it was finished.

The Germans then fielded a stronger team on July 17 but it lost 6-0. Two days later Dynamo had a match with the Hungarian team MSG Wal and Dynamo defeated them 5-1 and a rematch on the 26th ended with a score 3-2 for Dynamo. The German administration was outraged and decided that they had to teach the Dynamo Untermensch a lesson. The powerful and "ever victorious" German Flakelf team was invited. But this German team also lost to Dynamo and not a word about it appeared in the newspapers.

The Ukrainian team was given three days to think about their position and on August 9th there was a "friendly" rematch. In spite of the pressure Dynamo again in its fifth game defeated the German team -- for the last time. Most of the Ukrainian team members were arrested and executed in Babyn Yar, but they are not forgotten. There is a monument to them in Kiev and their heroism inspired the film Victory starring Sylvester Stallone and Pele.

 Posted:   Dec 2, 2005 - 8:12 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

An astonishing story.

I was hoping that one of the clips would be the end credits, although I know that Conti used the final movement from Shostakovich's 5th symphony note for note.

Undaunted, I listened to the other clips - both track one and track four quote the notorious 10-minute march from the first movement of DSCH's 7th symphony. It'd be interesting to get this CD if only to spot any other such references.

To bring it full circle, Shostakovich's 13th symphony includes a setting of Yevtushenko's poem dedicated to the Babyn Yar (or Baba Yar - "Ravine of Women") massacre.

 Posted:   Dec 2, 2005 - 8:32 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I don't know about you, but if i had a choice between playing soccer and escaping the Nazis.....

That's why this film is so insulting. It offers up these phony patriotic platitudes and plotting, which is an insult to real bravery and courage.

But Huston can be forgiven for a stinker here and there.

 Posted:   Dec 2, 2005 - 10:16 PM   
 By:   crazyunclerolo   (Member)

Don't feel insulted, Bruce. Remember what Hitchcock always said: "It's only a movie." Seriously, though, there's a very long tradition of WWII action/adventure films that deal fast and loose with the reality of that war. Besides, this is just as much a sports movie as a war picture. You can't end a sports movie without finishing the game.

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