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 Posted:   Aug 12, 2005 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   Hellstrom   (Member)



I wouldn't count on album no.11 -
SCORPIO getting released in this
bunch. That was the only original
soundtrack recording that was in
the series, and from what I understand
the tapes are owned by MGM / Warner.
SCORPIO had been previously released
on cd by Bay Cities in their limited
edition series of Jerry Fielding titles.

Den





Just for clarification - it is correct that SCORPIO was the only original soundtrack in the bunch, but it is a United Artists film and that music catalogue was recently purchased (and placed on moratorium) by Sony.

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2005 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)



Good work Amer, and great news!!! I only hope that the time frame is more on target than the one(s) given for KINGS OF THE SUN...



Thanks Dana! while listening to THEIF OF BAGHDAD I was wondering what in the world was keeping this fantastic series from coming out on cd. It had to happen. So I was so inspired and that I made up my mind and wrote to amber records. (Looks like I wont be bothering someone for TORN CURTAIN anymore)and I just bought the re-recording as well wink

Amer

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2005 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

If this pans out the reappearance of the FMS recordings will be THE film music event of the year...at least for those of us who have been collecting soundtracks for - ahem - a while.

What a treat! Thanks, Amer, for the heads-up.

This is a great time to re-read Elmer's Film Music Notebook, which has been collected and published in a beautiful hardcover by the folks at the Film Music Society. It's absolutely essential reading, and has some comments on the recordings themselves.


The FMC series is right up there along with Charles Gerhardt Film Music Classics. I was glad to bring you all such great tidings.

Incidently im now interested in the Bernstein Film Music Notebook.

Amer

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2005 - 8:10 PM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

And, did he record anything that was never released?
---
When the Tiomkin recordings were done, I recall hearing that Rhapsody of Steel was recorded. Does anyone know if this is correct? Didn't EB do a recording of Tiomkin for RCA several years after this?



Not a recording of Tiomkin - that disc was conducted by Lawrence Foster. For RCA Mr Bernstein did conduct a CD of four of Franz Waxman's scores. The recording was done in Germany.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2005 - 10:16 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

I believe that this is the 'surprise' that was hinted at in another thread.

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2005 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

More Good news for Bernstein Fans. The FILM MUSIC COLLECTION catalogue is being shared by well known soundtrack labels (ahem!)So these are in very good hands!!!

Better start saving for November/December!

Amer

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2005 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   musickco   (Member)

""I tend to prefer the recording quality of the Bernstein FMC over more recent re-recordings. Most were recorded at CTS or Olympic Studios by Dick Lewzey or Keith Grant, respectively.""

When it comes to the properties of a recording then we all have our particular preferences. Personally I find it difficult to listen to anything recorded at either CTS or Olympic! When I would sit down to watch a movie and the main title music would start and I would hear that deadening acoustic that identifies both CTS ad Olympic I would turn cold. Mind you, I have heard just a couple of recordings coming out of both those studios that I have liked, but the engineer in question has really pulled some stops out to gain the required ambience.

Its the walls at both studios - the sound just hits them and dies. And don't think a great deal of ambience hasn't been added to the recordings coming out of those venues - it has ... add any more and the sound would become ridiculous.

In fact the Bernstein FMC recordings were "supposed" to sound like they were recorded in a concert hall - they just didn't turn out that way! In later years I had a long conversation with the recordings' producer Christopher Palmer and he had come to realise the limitations of the recordings - and said he couldn't imagine how they had passed them originally as being OK (the gospel truth!).

But yes, both Dick Lewzey and Keith Grant favoured the deployment of many mikes - a wise choice - and from that point of view the sound mixes were excellent - it was just a matter of acoustics that made the recordings sound awry.

Both CTS and Olympic were large studios (both gone now) and should have afforded a broad acoustic, but for some reason they didn't (and at CTS it was necessary to section off each division of the orchestra with screens in order to get anything near a good result) - much like the acoustics of The Royal Albert Hall in London - designed as a concert venue, are appalling - even after much technical wizardry was brought to bear ... all those saucers hanging from the ceiling etc.

But many will disagree with me and state that they like the FMC recordings as they are - but I'm willing to bet that any re-issues of these titles will go through a considerable re-mastering process - and we have the technology today to sort out virtually any audio problem.

It wasn't my intention to pour cold water on what will possibly be a wonderful set of re-issues - but as the producer of these recordings himself shared my misgivings I thought perhaps it should be mentioned.

But at the end of the day, as I say, we all have our own preferences. I've called attention before to two reviews I read of the same (classical) album where one writer complained of too much ambience whereas the other was annoyed that the recording was too dry!

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2005 - 6:53 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

More Good news for Bernstein Fans. The FILM MUSIC COLLECTION catalogue is being shared by well known soundtrack labels (ahem!)So these are in very good hands!!!

Details, man! Details! The suspense is killling me.

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2005 - 6:54 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Double post. Server seems glitchy today.

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2005 - 1:15 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)



Details, man! Details! The suspense is killling me.



Well, dont take off your shirt! More info will be provided as made available.

Amer smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2005 - 4:33 AM   
 By:   clipton   (Member)

I tend to prefer the recording quality of the Bernstein FMC over more recent re-recordings. Most were recorded at CTS or Olympic Studios by Dick Lewzey or Keith Grant, respectively.

More recent re-recordings have gone for the "concert hall" sound (which is a valid approach) but I like the style of these earlier recordings, which used closer miking, resulting in (to my mind) cleaner, more crisp reproduction.


Paul


I think most of the Varese re-recordings were either highly compromised or flat-out ruined by their horrid, flat, distant miking -- Goldsmith's conducting of Agony and the Ecstasy sounded like the listener was in the worst seat of a vast soccer stadium: inexcusably bad. And primarily quiet Varese re-recordings - like McNeely's Torn Curtain - often can hardly be heard without jacking up the sound too high; and when the loud passages come on, it causes you to jump out of your seat. How could Varese allow this abysmal sound recording to ruin so many otherwise wonderful discs? Couldn't anyone there hear what was - or wasn't - happening??? My theory is that they listen to the playbacks on ultra-loud sound booth speakers or earphones that totally distort the reality of what they have produced. I've long considered Varese utterly hopeless in that department.

Silva, on the other hand, has vastly superior miking and sonics -- it usually sounds just right to me . . . although, in some instances, one wishes the performances were up to the sound recording. Nevertheless, I've generally been very happy with the Silva re-recordings of the past few years.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2005 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   tobid   (Member)


And primarily quiet Varese re-recordings - like McNeely's Torn Curtain - often can hardly be heard without jacking up the sound too high; and when the loud passages come on, it causes you to jump out of your seat.


Herrmann is my favourite composer, but I never really made it through the TORN CURTAIN disc for just this reason.

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2005 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)



Herrmann is my favourite composer, but I never really made it through the TORN CURTAIN disc for just this reason.


I know exactly what you mean. I finaly bit the bullet and got this last month. two days later the FMC news broke out! Anyways, I'll look fwd to it.

Amer

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2006 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I think the time is near.....I can feel it...

Amer

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2006 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Do you, Amer. In this very thread you have posted so much mis-information it's almost like you're doing a comedy routine. The only thing that's correct in your posts is that the recordings will soon be on CD. They will not be "shared" by a bunch of labels, they will not be on Amber Records, and if anyone actually pays attention to what is posted on this board, they'd know full well what's going on. You apparently are talking to the wrong people.

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2006 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   CAT   (Member)

And, of course, a more pleasant way of posting your "discovery" was inconceivable? More likely uncapable. Jeesh, Haines, do you always have to be so downright nasty?

I understand your excitement, Amer.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2006 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Amer has to rely on the internet and emails for his information, being in a part of the world rather removed from the centre of film music land.

Haineshisway presumably gets his from the horse's mouth thanks to being on the spot, a dubious privilege by all accounts.

In fact (if it's a comedy routine he wants) you could say that the only thing they almost have in common is that Amer's a banker.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2006 - 8:11 PM   
 By:   The_Mark_of_Score-O   (Member)

Well, there's an old adage that a banker has more in common with a banker from another country than he has with a peasant from his own country.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2006 - 8:40 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Please be SA-CDs.

Neil


So the sales will be LOWER?


SACD is pretty much a dead issue expect to audiophiles.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2006 - 9:17 PM   
 By:   Bob S   (Member)

Now that we have gotten yet another round of gratuitous hate and discontent out of the way, is a CD release of Elmer Bernstein's FMC series actually imminent, or is it still just the stuff dreams are made of?

Ditto KINGS OF THE SUN.

 
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