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 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   BryonDavis   (Member)

I find it a shame that this great (somewhat unknown) score of 40 years ago is being released at the same time everyone seems to be gushing over 'Die Hard 3-disc set', Two 'Airport' scores and 'Dracula'. If folks would just pause a moment to take note of something extraordinary, as opposed to... bright and shiny new toys.

maybe is that awful cover... who knows


Wow...really?

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

maybe is that awful cover... who knows

It's the original LP cover...quite possibly contractually mandated as this is a reissue.

Oh, interesting. I'll check him out. Odd i'd never even heard of him in passing. Ta.

My pleasure! I guess he's sadly not as remembered as he used to be a decade or two ago. I heard a neat piece of his live at the Colorado Symphony a month back, though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Gould

He was awarded a Lifetime Achievement Grammy in 2005, a regular Grammy in 1966 for conducting a recording of Ives's first symphony, and a Pulitzer Prize for his composition Stringmusic in 1995. His most famous feature film score is Windjammer (he's only dabbled in film), though I think his work on the Holocaust miniseries is greater (try the samples; I'm curious if you'll like them).

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

Never heard of the series, but I liked the soundbites enough to buy this.

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I am trying to avoid you. Take a look at my sentence that begins with the words " once in a while". I promise I will not respond to any further comment from you. You are still a P ... A..

I don't know what that last bit means Cody, but it seems like you're perhaps hurling an insult of some kind ("pissant"? "piece of ass"? okay...I got nothin'), which I do believe is against the rules of the board.

To be honest I can't even remember what I did to anger you so (was it one of the times I explained why I didn't like Tiomkin? No matter...) But avoid away, if that's what you feel the need to do (there's even a "block" function on this board, if you never want to see one of my posts). I'll still call you out when I feel you're being unreasonable, and if you're going to ignore me so be it. I saw your "once in a while" caveat near the end, but you lead your post with,
"I agree with you, but I am not surprised at this happening now. Remember...prominent labels are now catering to the comic-con generation to stay in business." <-- this in response to a poster denigrating releases by Williams, Cacavas, Schifrin, and Kamen as "bright and shiny new toys"...three of those scores are over four decades old, and the most recent one is *three* decades old! These composers are not remotely part of "what is wrong with film music today", so your negativity and grumpy old man act (griping about "the comic-con generation") is pretty misplaced here.

Y'know, there's no reason we couldn't be allies, considering I love the Golden Age as much as you do (if not all the same composers), despite being part of that generation you seem to despise so much. And in general, one attracts more flies with honey than with vinegar, as the saying goes (I love honey, but I think a nice balsamic might win out, with me). Why continue the negativity? What purpose does it serve (unless you enjoy offending the label heads with your complaints?) That's NOT how you're going to win over more listeners to the kind of music you like (and want to see more releases of). Some of these young whippersnappers (I can say that now because I'm in my 30s, right?) who get super excited about the latest TV superhero score releases just MIGHT take a chance on a Golden Age release, sometime...but I think that's less likely if they see Golden Age lovers like yourself constantly putting down "the comic-con generation". Something like, "Gee...if he really hates the music I love this much, then our tastes are probably so different that I'm unlikely to enjoy the things he's always talking enthusiastically about." Food for thought, perhaps. I'm not saying you have to agree with them, taste-wise...but maybe lighten your attitude, a little bit.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

For anyone who doesn't know this, just click on the link and listen to the samples - they are good and long and will give you a great sense of the score. Me, I love Gould's music, as Yavar says, one of the American masters of the 20th C - that alone is reason enough for me. But the music sells itself (well I hope it does).

https://notefornotemusic.com/products/holocaust-the-story-of-the-family-weiss-music-from-the-nbc-tv-film-by-morton-gould-cd

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   notkafkaesque   (Member)

I find it a shame ... If folks would just pause a moment to take note of something extraordinary, as opposed to... bright and shiny new toys.

The condescending shaming routine is likely to be counterproductive.

NK

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Long-windedness is definitely one of my weak points...you perfectly encapsulated what I took a paragraph to say into a single sentence. Kudos. wink

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 6:51 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

I am trying to avoid you. Take a look at my sentence that begins with the words " once in a while". I promise I will not respond to any further comment from you. You are still a P ... A..

I don't know what that last bit means Cody, but it seems like you're perhaps hurling an insult of some kind ("pissant"? "piece of ass"? okay...I got nothin'), which I do believe is against the rules of the board.

To be honest I can't even remember what I did to anger you so (was it one of the times I explained why I didn't like Tiomkin? No matter...) But avoid away, if that's what you feel the need to do (there's even a "block" function on this board, if you never want to see one of my posts). I'll still call you out when I feel you're being unreasonable, and if you're going to ignore me so be it. I saw your "once in a while" caveat near the end, but you lead your post with,
"I agree with you, but I am not surprised at this happening now. Remember...prominent labels are now catering to the comic-con generation to stay in business." <-- this in response to a poster denigrating releases by Williams, Cacavas, Schifrin, and Kamen as "bright and shiny new toys"...three of those scores are over four decades old, and the most recent one is *three* decades old! These composers are not remotely part of "what is wrong with film music today", so your negativity and grumpy old man act (griping about "the comic-con generation") is pretty misplaced here.

Y'know, there's no reason we couldn't be allies, considering I love the Golden Age as much as you do (if not all the same composers), despite being part of that generation you seem to despise so much. And in general, one attracts more flies with honey than with vinegar, as the saying goes (I love honey, but I think a nice balsamic might win out, with me). Why continue the negativity? What purpose does it serve (unless you enjoy offending the label heads with your complaints?) That's NOT how you're going to win over more listeners to the kind of music you like (and want to see more releases of). Some of these young whippersnappers (I can say that now because I'm in my 30s, right?) who get super excited about the latest TV superhero score releases just MIGHT take a chance on a Golden Age release, sometime...but I think that's less likely if they see Golden Age lovers like yourself constantly putting down "the comic-con generation". Something like, "Gee...if he really hates the music I love this much, then our tastes are probably so different that I'm unlikely to enjoy the things he's always talking enthusiastically about." Food for thought, perhaps. I'm not saying you have to agree with them, taste-wise...but maybe lighten your attitude, a little bit


Yavar


I am going to disregard my first post about avoiding replying to you this one time. " Professor " Yavar don't ever tell me what opinions I should not post. Perhaps you were raised in an authoritarian house. I am proud to say I wasn't.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Cody: Remember...prominent labels are now catering to the comic-con generation to stay in business. Once in a while they will give us melodic classics instead of generic noise.



I don't see a lot wrong with what Cody said. Only recently, in their Questions thread, LLL told us that people should realize the comic-hero type of projects help make the money to restore the classic stuff.
Which isn't a whole lot different to what Cody said, apart from him adding the "generic noise" bit.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 7:27 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Cody: Remember...prominent labels are now catering to the comic-con generation to stay in business. Once in a while they will give us melodic classics instead of generic noise.



I don't see a lot wrong with what Cody said. Only recently, in their Questions thread, LLL told us that people should realize the comic-hero type of projects help make the money to restore the classic stuff.
Which isn't a whole lot different to what Cody said, apart from him adding the "generic noise" bit.


Let's see if LLL will give us any classic Universal scores from the 40's and the 50's in the second half of 2019 . I am hoping for Miklos Rozsa as part of the Universal Film Score Heritage Series.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 8:15 PM   
 By:   Kristo   (Member)

I'm so pleased this incredible music is finally on CD. Thank you Notefornote crew!

I didn't know the great Charles Gerhardt and Kenneth Wilkinson recorded this album. They are legends of sound!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 8:48 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)


I bought the LP when it came out. Excellent score by a fine composer and conductor. I'll have to pick up the CD. Good to see a score of this high caliber reissued in this day and age.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 8:52 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

Cody: Remember...prominent labels are now catering to the comic-con generation to stay in business. Once in a while they will give us melodic classics instead of generic noise.



I don't see a lot wrong with what Cody said. Only recently, in their Questions thread, LLL told us that people should realize the comic-hero type of projects help make the money to restore the classic stuff.
Which isn't a whole lot different to what Cody said, apart from him adding the "generic noise" bit.


Let's see if LLL will give us any classic Universal scores from the 40's and the 50's in the second half of 2019 . I am hoping for Miklos Rozsa as part of the Universal Film Score Heritage Series.





I agree with the comments of Cody and Basil. Yes, I too would love to see LLL and other labels issue the Rozsa Film Noir late 40's Universal on CD's. And throw in a few Hans Salter and Frank Skinner too! Real music by real composers!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 9:43 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Cody: Remember...prominent labels are now catering to the comic-con generation to stay in business. Once in a while they will give us melodic classics instead of generic noise.



I don't see a lot wrong with what Cody said. Only recently, in their Questions thread, LLL told us that people should realize the comic-hero type of projects help make the money to restore the classic stuff.
Which isn't a whole lot different to what Cody said, apart from him adding the "generic noise" bit.


Let's see if LLL will give us any classic Universal scores from the 40's and the 50's in the second half of 2019 . I am hoping for Miklos Rozsa as part of the Universal Film Score Heritage Series.





I agree with the comments of Cody and Basil. Yes, I too would love to see LLL and other labels issue the Rozsa Film Noir late 40's Universal on CD's. And throw in a few Hans Salter and Frank Skinner too! Real music by real composers!


PFK, so I don't have to reply to Yavar, I will tell you. The P in my original post does not stand for professor. It stands for pompous. The A therefore should be very easy to figure out.

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 9:48 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Nice. Well your participation in this thread certainly speaks for itself. Stay classy!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2018 - 9:51 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

For those not familiar with the score, three of the best selections on the album are not available to be sampled on the Notefornote website...the Berta/Josef, Rudi/Helena and Inga/Karl themes. So if you're on the fence, don't hesitate. In addition, Gould wrote his "Elegy", as a "personal musical comment" apart from the score. It's a lovely string piece that is a perfect end to the album.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2018 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Great release, purchase for me. Gould was a music-man of many talents I do like hiss latin jazz, exotica cd's & symphony works. Still hard to believe MG talent didn't work many movies maybe he didn't want too.

Well-done NFN. TYVM.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2018 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

For anyone who doesn't know this, just click on the link and listen to the samples - they are good and long and will give you a great sense of the score. Me, I love Gould's music, as Yavar says, one of the American masters of the 20th C - that alone is reason enough for me. But the music sells itself (well I hope it does).

https://notefornotemusic.com/products/holocaust-the-story-of-the-family-weiss-music-from-the-nbc-tv-film-by-morton-gould-cd


Interesting clips. Hopefully it'll be around long enough for me to divert funds to it. But if it sells out quick, i suppose that's a nice sign too.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2018 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

I've had a HOLOCAUST cd -- identical cover art, presumably identical content -- for many years now, and it's stashed here somewhere. I wish I could lay my hands on it and take a fresh look at it: If it's a b**t, I never recognized it as such.

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2018 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

I too would love to see LLL and other labels issue the Rozsa Film Noir late 40's Universal on CD's. And throw in a few Hans Salter and Frank Skinner too! Real music by real composers!

Roger Feigelson said back in June that their 2018 schedule will include 'possibly Max Steiner'. In Dec 2015 they released a Golden Age film noir boxset; in Dec 2017 they released a Golden Age Waxman boxset; so in Dec 2018 I suspect there will be a Golden Age Steiner boxset.

 
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