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I'm staring at the recording logs right now. I've never been able to upload images here because they have to have a URL link. There are no dual perspective recordings of any of the orchestra tracks, either for the songs for the underscore. The latter are all straight mono. The songs indicate things like: 1) orchestra, 2) principals, 3) chorus, but in several cases those do not survive, only comp mixes. And that's all there is. Additionally, Deluxe Audio's records, which, as I said, I checked, indicate that Chace Stereo ™ was applied to the jobs.
Mike M.
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Do two disk sets count as one or two Indiegogo perks? I "purchased" six releases and opted out of "White Witch Doctor" and "Kilimanjaro" but got one back catalog title in exchange. Is the Glenn Miller set (and the next release?) still valid for me?
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Looking forward to this set. Growing up mom would play her music for us, which is music of this era, so I'm familiar with it. Also, Glen Miller lived in the small town where I grew up when he was a young boy, in North Platte, Nebraska. So that was always cool to know!
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Do two disk sets count as one or two Indiegogo perks? I "purchased" six releases and opted out of "White Witch Doctor" and "Kilimanjaro" but got one back catalog title in exchange. Is the Glenn Miller set (and the next release?) still valid for me?
Back when we did the campaign, I tried (as did others here) to explain that while you were contributing to a campaign, you weren't doing so with nothing in return - short answer, yes, the Glenn Miller 2-CD set, which we had to charge 29.98 for because it was hugely expensive to do, counts as a single CD release for Indiegogo contributors.
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Mar 14, 2016 - 5:58 PM
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Jim Doherty
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Wow! Cool!
If I can scrape up the bucks in the next few days, I'M IN!!! I've got the old 20th Fox 2-LP of this stuff, as well as the laserdiscs, but it would be so great to to have all that incidental music on CD.
To both Joe Caps and mxmx, I have the laserdisc set of these two movies. Yes, the songs appear in something that sounds like stereo, but upon close listening, it sounds like a spread of the orchestra plus the separate vocal track stuck in the middle. If this was a Chace job, they did wonderfully. Truly, the the reeds sound like they are coming from one side and the strings from another. If they were able to extract that stereo perspective from the original mono signal, God Bless Them. Chace did a GREAT fake-stereo job.
The analog tracks on the LD on the other hand present the band and vocals on separate tracks, for anyone who cares.
Truly, I have not listened to that laserdisc in maybe 10 years. But, according to the big sticker stuck on the front of the package, it was "Presented in TRUE STEREO from the original 4 track recordings stored at the Twentieth Century-Fox archives." The back cover of the laserdisc also said "Songs restored from original dual track recordings of Glenn Miller and his Orchestra." Obviously, there must be some misunderstanding of words here. What does "4 track recording" mean to to some people, or "dual track recording" mean to somebody else.
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Wow! Cool!
If I can scrape up the bucks in the next few days, I'M IN!!! I've got the old 20th Fox 2-LP of this stuff, as well as the laserdiscs, but it would be so great to to have all that incidental music on CD.
To both Joe Caps and mxmx, I have the laserdisc set of these two movies. Yes, the songs appear in something that sounds like stereo, but upon close listening, it sounds like a spread of the orchestra plus the separate vocal track stuck in the middle. If this was a Chace job, they did wonderfully. Truly, the the reeds sound like they are coming from one side and the strings from another. If they were able to extract that stereo perspective from the original mono signal, God Bless Them. Chace did a GREAT fake-stereo job.
The analog tracks on the LD on the other hand present the band and vocals on separate tracks, for anyone who cares.
Truly, I have not listened to that laserdisc in maybe 10 years. But, according to the big sticker stuck on the front of the package, it was "Presented in TRUE STEREO from the original 4 track recordings stored at the Twentieth Century-Fox archives." The back cover of the laserdisc also said "Songs restored from original dual track recordings of Glenn Miller and his Orchestra." Obviously, there must be some misunderstanding of words here. What does "4 track recording" mean to to some people, or "dual track recording" mean to somebody else.
Mike has ALL the materials and he's said what's what. If certain people were involved in the Chace thing, they might have said any number of things that were either misrepresented or just plain wrong. Not like THAT hasn't happened before. 
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By the way, the dual perspective recording for early movies like this. Was used since when and until even when in Hollywood?
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Lots of opt outs on this - don't really understand it - not exactly a musical - just a few integrated songs, a lot of great incidental scoring, and only some of the greatest big-band music in history. To me it's like having Grusin's Racing to the Moon album - half of that score is big band music.
Thankfully, the Glenn Miller fans have embraced it.
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Mar 15, 2016 - 10:54 PM
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Bob DiMucci
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With regard to SUN VALLEY SERENADE, the AFI Catalog says the following:
"According to studio records and publicity and the MPAA/PCA Collection at the AMPAS Library, three songs written by Harry Warren and Mack Gordon did not appear in the released film. They were titled: "At Last," "The World Is Waiting to Waltz Again" and "I'm Lena, the Ballerina." Although it has not been determined if the first two songs were recorded, "I'm Lena, the Ballerina" was recorded by Joan Davis, and the sequence featuring her singing it was photographed. The PCA objected to certain lyrics in the song, although it has not been determined if that was the reason for the number being deleted from the release print."
I see that the CD has two versions of "At Last," so apparently it was recorded (and based upon its placement on the disc, it was included in the film?). "The World Is Waiting to Waltz Again" does not appear. But curiously, the one song of the three that the AFI seems certain was recorded, "I'm Lena, the Ballerina," also does not appear. I take it that it just wasn't included in the surviving materials, and not that, like the PCA folks, you were too chaste to include it.
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With regard to SUN VALLEY SERENADE, the AFI Catalog says the following:
"According to studio records and publicity and the MPAA/PCA Collection at the AMPAS Library, three songs written by Harry Warren and Mack Gordon did not appear in the released film. They were titled: "At Last," "The World Is Waiting to Waltz Again" and "I'm Lena, the Ballerina." Although it has not been determined if the first two songs were recorded, "I'm Lena, the Ballerina" was recorded by Joan Davis, and the sequence featuring her singing it was photographed. The PCA objected to certain lyrics in the song, although it has not been determined if that was the reason for the number being deleted from the release print."
I see that the CD has two versions of "At Last," so apparently it was recorded (and based upon its placement on the disc, it was included in the film?). "The World Is Waiting to Waltz Again" does not appear. But curiously, the one song of the three that the AFI seems certain was recorded, "I'm Lena, the Ballerina," also does not appear. I take it that it just wasn't included in the surviving materials, and not that, like the PCA folks, you were too chaste to include it.
Correct - we used everything they had. But even had they had it, I wasn't about to go to a third CD At Last wasn't used vocally in the film, although we have it on the CD. But it is used in some of the score cues.
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Mar 15, 2016 - 11:33 PM
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Bob DiMucci
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A followup to my post above.
I see that "At Last" also appears in ORCHESTRA WIVES. Of that, the AFI Catalog says: "An 8 July 1942 Variety news item reported that the song "At Last," composed by Mack Gordon and Harry Warren, had originally been recorded by Miller and his orchestra for the 1941 Twentieth Century-Fox film Sun Valley Serenade."
Apparently, the note writer for SUN VALLEY SERENADE didn't have access to this Variety article on ORCHESTRA WIVES. Otherwise he would not have said it had "not been determined" whether "At Last" had been recorded for SUN VALLEY.
Elsewhere, regarding ORCHESTRA WIVES, the Catalog says:
"Studio records indicate that the Gordon and Warren song "That's Sabotage" was recorded for Orchestra Wives and was included on the soundtrack album, even though it does not appear in the completed picture. Instrumental versions of "You Say the Nicest Things, Baby" and "The Darktown Strutters' Ball" were also to have been recorded for the film, but were cut, according to the legal file."
I see that "That's Sabotage" appears in the bonus section and is marked "unused."
The CD also includes the Mack Gordon-Harry Warren song "You Say the Sweetest Things, Baby" in the bonus/unused section. The AFI seems to have erroneously given the title as "You Say the Nicest Things, Baby," which was a Jimmy McHugh-Harold Adamson song that didn't appear until their 1948 show As the Girls Go.
"The Darktown Strutters' Ball" doesn't appear on the CD at all, so I guess that wasn't recorded, or is lost.
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Me, I'm not opting out. But then, I do enjoy big band music as well as film music and lots of other kinds of music. It's too bad more people can't enjoy a broader range of music, especially using film music of its many varieties as a gateway to all kinds of new experiences. But each person has a right to their musical taste, and I'm just glad there are people like Bruce and Mike M who help bring out such a wide range.
One reason I still love my film score hobby in my fifth decade of collecting is that it helps me find out about movies and TV I don't know. Kritzerland did it with Stormy Weather last year (what a wonderful release), and now he's doing it again. Just like Intrada just did by bringing out the 80's Twilight Zone scores, which has led me to watch the series (and I'm enjoying it more than I expected to). However great or ok the films, with such strong musical pedigree, I'm interested and will seek out the films as well as enjoying this new release.
And just in case it isn't clear - this is a terrific extra deal for Indiegogo supporters, since we're essentially getting two for the price of one here. I was expecting and wouldn't have been at all disappointed if this had counted as two. Well done, Bruce.
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