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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Logan’s Run (1976 Feature Film)
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2017 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

Last I saw the film score was down to 150 or fewer units. That was 2013. I wouldn't wait if I were you guys.

The TV series scoring was down to less than 58 units in 2016.


You guys: I confess that I listen to the Logan TV disc much more than I ever listen to the movie music.


You just like that siren! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2017 - 6:13 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


If you haven't bought this FSM disc, you are no real Goldsmith fan.


Thanks for letting me know what kind Goldsmith fan I am. I wasn't sure before.

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2018 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Can't recall if it has been mentioned before, but there's something a little strange about track 20) Return To The City/Apprehensions. Towards the end, the call to Carousel can he heard amidst the music. On the track, it sounds like echo-plexed quasi-electronic music mixed with the orchestral variety - the point being it is very much part of the music underscore. In the film, it is supposed to be heard by all the city members up to and including red-flashing 30 year olds as incidental sound within the domed city.

But, if it's in the music one would contend it must be part of the underscore and so on-screen characters would not be aware of it. So, is this non-diegetic music pretending to be of the diegetic variety? Or, was it that the diegetic sound effect was included on the track intentionally, the way dialog appears on some soundtrack releases, such as the Sony Alamo. I can't remember if the liner notes had something to say about this. If it turns out the Carousel Gong, announced about 3 times on the FSM CD, was part of the orchestral recorded content, then it represents something that is outside the scope of the story characters and is only there dramatically for the cinematic audience (30 yr olds included). It's like: it is and it isn't. I assumed, rightly or wrongly, the Carousel Gong is supposed to be heard by all.

Gimme five?

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2018 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Can't recall if it has been mentioned before, but there's something a little strange about track 20) Return To The City/Apprehensions. Towards the end, the call to Carousel can he heard amidst the music. On the track, it sounds like echo-plexed quasi-electronic music mixed with the orchestral variety - the point being it is very much part of the music underscore. In the film, it is supposed to be heard by all the city members up to and including red-flashing 30 year olds as incidental sound within the domed city.

But, if it's in the music one would contend it must be part of the underscore and so on-screen characters would not be aware of it. So, is this non-diegetic music pretending to be of the diegetic variety? Or, was it that the diegetic sound effect was included on the track intentionally, the way dialog appears on some soundtrack releases, such as the Sony Alamo. I can't remember if the liner notes had something to say about this. If it turns out the Carousel Gong, announced about 3 times on the FSM CD, was part of the orchestral recorded content, then it represents something that is outside the scope of the story characters and is only there dramatically for the cinematic audience (30 yr olds included). It's like: it is and it isn't.

Gimme five?


My dim memory is that some of these musical sounding FX were provided by Goldsmith and I tried to work them into the album program in a kind of "collage" to make a good listening experience.

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2018 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Thanks, Lukas. Right from the start, I always implicitly assumed the gong was part of the action. After all, they made Carousel out to be such a big thing that it's natural to assume it would be announced in some major audio/visual form.

So, the big question is, is cast and audience meant to hear those ominous "Last Day" sounding gongs? If it's only meant for the audience then it certainly is a most unusual form of underscore. And by the way, putting it in adds atmosphere and something like audio logic to the proceedings for the soundtrack listener. We have Logan confronting the dome citizens, urging them not to follow the ritual as it's a fake (like the "all clear" from Time Machine), only to be overcome by the Sandmen and forced to provide the required feedback to the uncomprehending 'mother' city computer.

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2018 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Thanks, Lukas. Right from the start, I always implicitly assumed the gong was part of the action. After all, they made Carousel out to be such a big thing that it's natural to assume it would be announced in some major audio/visual form.

So, the big question is, is cast and audience meant to hear those ominous "Last Day" sounding gongs? If it's only meant for the audience then it certainly is a most unusual form of underscore. And by the way, putting it in adds atmosphere and something like audio logic to the proceedings for the soundtrack listener.


I always assumed the gongs were diegetic (heard by the characters). I'll send an email to my friend Bob 11 to confirm...

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2018 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • The FSM discography page shows Logan's Run as being available as 'used,' in blue. Has this title gone OOP?

    http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/2555/LOGANS-RUN/

    It seems that a number of titles are listed "USED" but are actually in print. Explain yo-saylf, FSM!

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     Posted:   Apr 26, 2018 - 2:07 PM   
     By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

  • The FSM discography page shows Logan's Run as being available as 'used,' in blue. Has this title gone OOP?

    http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/2555/LOGANS-RUN/


    It seems that a number of titles are listed "USED" but are actually in print. Explain yo-saylf, FSM!

    It's still in print. This is a discrepancy that happens when the links are messed up (don't know how) between the FSM site and the SAE product pages. If you go to SAE you should be able to find the new copies. Sorry about this.

    Lukas

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     Posted:   Apr 26, 2018 - 4:49 PM   
     By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)


    I always assumed the gongs were diegetic (heard by the characters). I'll send an email to my friend Bob 11 to confirm...

    Lukas


    Little ol' me thinks this music/diegetic thing was part of how JG did this score.

    Witness the moment in the interrogation scene where the score sounds much like a giant computer "revving up" (one of the coolest moments for me, since it blew me away when I learned it was NOT sound effects, but JG's writing).

     
     
     Posted:   Apr 26, 2018 - 5:26 PM   
     By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

    Thanks, Lukas. Right from the start, I always implicitly assumed the gong was part of the action. After all, they made Carousel out to be such a big thing that it's natural to assume it would be announced in some major audio/visual form.

    So, the big question is, is cast and audience meant to hear those ominous "Last Day" sounding gongs? If it's only meant for the audience then it certainly is a most unusual form of underscore. And by the way, putting it in adds atmosphere and something like audio logic to the proceedings for the soundtrack listener. We have Logan confronting the dome citizens, urging them not to follow the ritual as it's a fake (like the "all clear" from Time Machine), only to be overcome by the Sandmen and forced to provide the required feedback to the uncomprehending 'mother' city computer.


    A few years ago, I started a thread about scores which have tracks that act both AS score and as source... and I think this qualifies! Good call! smile

     
     Posted:   Aug 16, 2019 - 11:20 AM   
     By:   That Neil Guy   (Member)

    If you are worried that you will not be renewed on carousel, I have good news for you - you can go ahead and outfit yourself as a sandman right now:



    https://amzn.to/2KEg5tO

     
     Posted:   Aug 16, 2019 - 11:35 AM   
     By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

    Nice work, Neil.

     
     Posted:   Aug 17, 2019 - 7:45 AM   
     By:   solium   (Member)


    If you are worried that you will not be renewed on carousel, I have good news for you - you can go ahead and outfit yourself as a sandman right now:

    Nice work, Neil.


    Nice indeed!

     
     Posted:   Aug 17, 2019 - 12:14 PM   
     By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

    OMG I gotta have that shirt...

     
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