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 Posted:   Jun 22, 2019 - 3:33 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

Best thing is to just ignore the Nono. The only opinions he listens to are evidently his own.

There's some facts about music, which are not opinions.

I have never said that people shouldn't like compression or the new LLL release.

And I share ZapBrannigan's opinion, the new edition is perfect for car listening.

At night with very low volume, it's also a very pleasant experience.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2019 - 5:49 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

When a crescendo is no longer a crescendo, because everything else is just about as loud, it just doesn't have the impact it should.

There is such a crescendo in the first part of the Leaving Home cue, which is absolutely stunning. The sheer intensity John Williams obtains here make your heart fully opened for the introduction of his americana theme, which is then played with great delicacy and subtle dynamic nuances before the final crescendo, which is not as high as the first one since John Williams had already captured our attention, bringing the listener exactly where he wanted.

The softest parts are now much louder, the crescendos fall flat, as well as the intensity and delicacy of the cue. The final crescendo is also as loud as the first one, while the turning point (when Clark Kent decides to go to his destiny) is in the first one.

This is the same with the Rhino and the Blue Box editions, though.

I take a higher dynamic range over the thin loudness re-mastering any day.

Me too.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2019 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

The NONO Nonsensical

I'm really sorry for you if you can't hear all the dynamic nuances which make music :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamics_(music)

Ignorance is bliss.


Chill.
I probably have the best ears here.
I explained the ' problem' with extreme levels.
Bruce

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2019 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Compression was used on Lps because extreme loudness could cause the needle to mistrack; e.g the cymbal crash on " Siegrfrieds Funeral".
That doesn't happen on CDs obviously so we can get better dynamics than in the old days.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2019 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   Mose Harper   (Member)

Who the heck is Gerad Shurmann?

I thought I maybe made a typo- but it doesn't look like it. in that case...

https://www.chandos.net/products/catalogue/CHAN%2010979

Part of the problem seems to be it's simply all mastered at a lower than usual level.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2019 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

My strong preference is for the dynamic range to NOT be too big. I HATE having to turn up the soft parts and turn down the loud parts.

In the car, a big range means not being able to hear the soft parts at all. And with earbuds, it means the loud parts are going to suddenly hurt my ears.

So, if anything, this complaint about "compression" is one more reason for me to like the new LLL set.


There is obviously a market for releases that are flat and with little dynamics that can be listened to in a car and that will sound ok on lower end ear buds etc. Many pop albums seem to demonstrate the need; fair enough. However, there is also a market, maybe a much smaller one but at least in classical music a still relevant one, that cares about high fidelity. I don't need releases mastered for my car ( which is capable of adjusting volume on its own) but for an actual stereo sound system, and there I dislike the excessive loudness reductions. I don't think I have ever encountered a recording whose dynamic range was too large, but quite a few that were gratingly too flat. But in VHS days, lots of people preferred Pan & Scan to letterbox, which was puzzling to me too, so what do I know?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2019 - 2:47 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

The NONO Nonsensical

I'm really sorry for you if you can't hear all the dynamic nuances which make music :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamics_(music)

Ignorance is bliss.


Chill.
I probably have the best ears here.
I explained the ' problem' with extreme levels.
Bruce


I had such problems in the 90s with Boulez's Ravel recordings with the Berliner Philharmoniker on DG, but it was due to the sound system I had at the time.

The sound system I had then couldn't reproduce each level of the dynamic range when the changes were fast, and the lower levels were not full and clear.

I haven't such problems anymore.

I know the recordings I'm playing and can adjust the volume at the beginning of the listening, eventually during the listening itself.

I don't want to have the mastering engineer constantly raising and lowering the levels throughout a musical work, altering no only the dynamics but also the depth and ambience of the soundstage, the instrumental colours etc.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2019 - 3:23 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

I could listen to my Blue Box (it wasn't stored at home, too many CDs in my collection) and didn't remember how problematic the EQ was (I have actually almost never listened to it because of all its issues).

So the new LLL edition is much more preferable.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2019 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

...not the unsurpassable edition he and everybody say.

Where did Matessino say this?


https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=4&threadID=134366&archive=0

"I'll leave it others to comment on the quality of the sound on inexpensive equipment or otherwise, but honestly there is nowhere to go from here for the 50th or at any later time other than a high resolution release."

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2019 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   alexp   (Member)

Someone at JWFan has made some videos of selected scenes from the film where the music that was dialed-out is restored.

Lex Luther’s Lair
https://drive.google.com/file/d/110Qj-7R-QdRtokGnUbmonzJbk6BLiUjH/view

Chasing Rockets/Superfeats
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K4shq6NwmsuQkCokny_WAFoVk0_e8_9t/view

More details about the videos can be found on this JWFan thread.
http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/29114-superman-the-movie-40th-anniversary/page/2/#comments

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2019 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   alexp   (Member)

"At last, it's official."

https://filmconcertslive.com/movies/superman/

...and with over 4 months (left in the anniversary) to spare.

But will it get played by mid-December?

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2019 - 6:15 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

No.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2019 - 9:27 PM   
 By:   erepel   (Member)

Great Scott!! It's going to happen! If not this year, then perhaps an ode to Spring 2020?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2019 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   alexp   (Member)

alexp said
"At last, it's official."

https://filmconcertslive.com/movies/superman/

...and with over 4 months (left in the anniversary) to spare.

But will it get played by mid-December?


Mike Mattessino said
No.

Can you, please, explain why you think so, Mike M?

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2019 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Why is this thread still active?

It's 2019 dammitt!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2019 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   alexp   (Member)

Mr. Marshall,
There was no smiley-face emoji in your message, so, I'm assuming that your serious about this.

The film's 40th Anniversary celebration is between December 15th (the date when the film was released 40 years ago), 2018 through December 14th 2019. So, there's over 4 months left in the anniversary. The film's success from the December '78 release had continued into '79.

If you stopped celebrating, that's your thing.

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2019 - 6:19 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Mr. Marshall,
There was no smiley-face emoji in your message, so, I'm assuming that your serious about this.

The film's 40th Anniversary celebration is between December 15th (the date when the film was released 40 years ago), 2018 through December 14th 2019. So, there's over 4 months left in the anniversary. The film's success from the December '78 release had continued into '79.

If you stopped celebrating, that's your thing.


Hey man,
I worked at a theatre that showed it. I've seen it more times than anybody here!.

Since when do anniversaries last a whole year?

" ..its over Johnny... It's over!"
smile

 
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