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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: The Bravados
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2018 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

I see I should correct something I said above which is misleading.

The townsfolk were 'legitimately' hanging the bandits for other crimes, but it was Douglas who allowed his natural prejudices and the weight of 'evidence' to persuade him they were guilty of the other crime. The miner had taken the opportunity to blame them and ride on the current of general prejudice.

It's a phenomenon in trouble zones across the globe. Where there's war, or terrorism, or anarchy, many unrelated murders by opportunists can be covered up by association.

There should've been spoiler alerts on this thread.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2018 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Well, actually, I think it gets better and better. It does seem a bit odd this title bounces back the way that it does over and above other FSMs (at least, for the time being), but this particular movie tends to have quite a dense level of topicality embedded within in spite of some rather sloppy narrative. That's why I believe Peck took the role. Also, in seeing the film consecutively a few times, Collins is there more or less throughout the story to balance out the male dominated scenery.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2018 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   Expat@22   (Member)

Well, actually, I think it gets better and better. It does seem a bit odd this title bounces back the way that it does over and above other FSMs (at least, for the time being), but this particular movie tends to have quite a dense level of topicality embedded within in spite of some rather sloppy narrative. That's why I believe Peck took the role. Also, in seeing the film consecutively a few times, Collins is there more or less throughout the story to balance out the male dominated scenery.

I can't remember the film that well. Was there a political message embedded in the film?

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2018 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I can't remember the film that well. Was there a political message embedded in the film?

Funny you should say that. No, I don't think it intentionally tries to do anything beyond highlighting the obvious moral issues. When Douglas discusses his predicament with his former associate, the local town priest, the outcome is that Douglas consciously bookmarks the error of his way and when the townsfolk lionize him for bringing the outlaws to justice, he keeps it to himself (and the priest) he did so for thinking and believing they were guilty of the murder of his wife when they had nothing to do with that crime at all. But hey, everyone is guilty of something. Remember that scene in Saving Private Ryan, after the GIs have gained a foothold on the beach? A couple of Germans come out of their bunker with their hands up, and one of them says something in German to another couple of GI's nearby. One of the GI's shoots the Germans dead at which point the other GI says, "what'd he say?" to which the shooter says, "I washed my hands for suppa."

The funny bit is . . . beware of fake news.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2018 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

But hey, everyone is guilty of something. Remember that scene in Saving Private Ryan, after the GIs have gained a foothold on the beach. A couple of Germans come out of their bunker with their hands up, and one of them says something in German to another couple of GI's nearby. One of the GI's shoots the Germans dead at which point the other GI says, "what'd he say?" to which the shooter says, "I love my mama."





Did you miss a trick there, Grecch?

They weren't German. They were speaking Czech. They were Czech conscripts. Czechs were forcibly conscripted into the German army, against their will, and many deserted.

These two were saying something like 'We're not Germans: we were conscripted .... we're on your side'. The GIs just saw the uniform. We see from Hanks's look that he understands. Does he enlighten them? He probably sees no good in that when it's too late. It would just cause guilt.

A bunch of specialist British soldiers were actually taken prisoner that day by one GI unit who didn't get the uniform. That's the reality of war, chaos.


http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/saving-private-ryan-film-1998-steven-speilberg-german-soldiers-czech-translation-surrender-dialogue-a7582926.html

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2018 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Sudetenland blues. Point taken.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2018 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Interesting point about RYAN. I hadn't noticed. There's a fair amount of untranslated German in that movie, which ultimately adds to its rich layering.

As for revealing spoilers, isn't there a statute of limitations? As this is nominally a thread devoted to the FSM recording, we may assume that everyone who owns it has already learned the secret. But William has a point. Like many of us, I came to the movie years after learning its plot from the album booklet. That is one reason why I found the first act to be interminably slow: I already knew what the character was so very late to realize. It's conceivable that the "mystery" aspect would have afforded the a more positive experience to the original audience.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2018 - 12:16 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Possibly one of the main contributions of this film is that the first half is a clear template for half a dozen later Clint Eastwood movies. Right from the outset, the reticent stranger who rides into town to see the 'hangin' is Eastwood territory both during and after his Italian sojourn. Watch the flick and picture him in Peck's role. Tailor made.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2018 - 5:59 AM   
 By:   Expat@22   (Member)

Possibly one of the main contributions of this film is that the first half is a clear template for half a dozen later Clint Eastwood movies. Right from the outset, the reticent stranger who rides into town to see the 'hangin' is Eastwood territory both during and after his Italian sojourn. Watch the flick and picture him in Peck's role. Tailor made.

Interesting point. On the shoulders of giants as they say. Well, almost.

 
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