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 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Hopefully BornOfAJackel will return to give us the real deal or the real insights into the finale.

I’ve read some interpretations on the Internet about various aspects of the finale. I have questioned Snow leaving Castle Black to go off with the Wildings. A few critics claimed that he was happiest when he was with them. Don’t know about that. He did have his lady love, but he betrayed them for Castle Black, lost his girlfriend, but later became friends with the Wildings.

Also, we do see that while he was an amazing warrior, he didn’t seem to like war, so some critics have said that by going North with the Wildings, he has achieved personal peace, and Castle Black really isn’t needed anymore.

Still wondering why the Night King wanted 3-eyed Bran and what Bran contributed to the last season other than Jon’s true identity.

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

It was the perfect ending. If you remember, the series started with a shot of that forest with the night walkers lurking in the shadows. Now the people has 're-conquered' the wintery forests, and will make it their own.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Jon gave his word he would go into exile at Night Watch. When he arrived there was no watch only Wildings. He went with them to honor his pledge to the Unsullied.

Btw anyone else notice the parallels between Stannis and Danny?

Both committed fratricide, dabbled in black magic and necromancy, burned foes alive if they failed.to bend the knee....sacrificed their children
And of course claimed the throne as their birthright.
But, nobody considers Stannis a HERO!

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

"Still wondering why the Night King wanted 3-eyed Bran and what Bran contributed to the last season other than Jon’s true identity."

This Joanie, exactly. Built up bran like he was kryptonite to the night king yet all he did was send a flock of crows to spy. I thought he was gonna take over a dragon...but nothing. Damp squib.
Having foresight he wudv made a good hand to jon's king but what we got was not the worst arrangement.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Dp

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Don't ask me!

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

-Emilia Clarke said she watched Adolf Hitler speeches to inspire her for Daenerys Targaryen's victory speeches to her troops, "In giving all these speeches in fake languages, I watched a lot of videos of — now it seems funny — dictators and powerful leaders speaking a different language to see if I could understand what they were saying without knowing the language. And you can! You absolutely can understand what Hitler’s f—ing saying, these single-focus orators speaking a foreign language. So I thought, “If I can believe every single word I’m saying, the audience won’t need to be looking at the subtitles too much.

I feel that my comparing Dany to Hitler is now supported by Clarke's quotation.

Thor, you bring up a interesting point about the first shot in the series and the final scene. It wasn't a perfect ending for me, but I did highlight the aspects of the finale that I did like.

Bill, guess we have to wait for BornOfAJackel to satisfy our questions about Bran.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Fans who wanted Danny or Jon Gendry, or Sansa to rule are in essence saying " I believe in monarchy .i inherited power. .. Might makes right.That's a scary thought.
Bran was ELECTED as a one time King. A better climax than the continuing battles amongst Starks, Baratheon, Greyjoy and Targaryen ,Lannister,dynasties. At the end, Bran leaves the small Council to their tasks. He has no intention of being a dictator.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I think some.folks missed the part where it was answered the question " why was Jon sent away".

It was the price.the Unsullied demanded in exchange for peace. Remember the Unsullied were loyal to Danny who freed them. They wanted Jon executed. The followers of The Starks would have gone.to war if this.happened. . . Banishment was a compromise to prevent war.

I AM THE NEW Jackal!
wink

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2019 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Bill, I guess we have to wait for BornOfAJackel to satisfy our questions about Bran.

Yeah, joanie i still cant see what the fuss was about. Ok he served as a distraction for arya to attack and subsequently caught the dragonstone blade to stab Night King but that contribution still doesnt explain why the night king wanted him dead so badly.
Hope you had a good time. Glad youre back, ive missed giving you stick and receiving it! smile

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2019 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

"Glad youre back, ive missed giving you stick and receiving it!"

Awww shucks, thanks Bill. I told Edw to beat on you a lot while I was gone in order to keep you from missing me too much, but I think she was busy.smile

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2019 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Well ive been quite abandoned lately. Edw has been good as gold n quiet as a mouse, so perhaps we will see some action now you are general macarthur!!!

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2019 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Okay, so I'm supposed to wrap this all up with something profound, but...

Man, the Budget Fuck really got to this one, rendering it essentially a postscript, when the showrunners (I hate that term.), had they chosen to do so, could've done an entire succeeding season on how things wrapped up in King's Landing. Thus, we end up with a perfunctory and bland wrap-up that will allow the showrunners to get on with doing yet another Star Wars trilogy for The Disney Corporation, for much greater pay, no doubt.

Congratulations, Dave & Dan. You deserve this. But we all know you took your eye off the ball on numerous occasions on this show so you could get on to bigger projects. Well, good luck with Star Wars-maven Kathleen Kennedy, guys. I bet she'll force you to put in "girlpower moments", like all the other Star Wars and Marvel stooges who work for Disney.

More later...

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2019 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Hey Born,

In case you didn't notice.... During.your extended absence I usurped you.
I am THE NEW JACKAL - bend the knee!



" Protect your Queen , Ser Robert"

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2019 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

"More later..."

Sorry if we put pressure on you, BornOfAJackal. We are just interested in your insights, so I will look forward to your more later comments.

(I didn't realize the writers were moving on to other endeavors.)

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2019 - 8:32 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Re: rushed

The episodes were.90 minutes so is it really fair to complain about " only six episodes"?

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2019 - 12:44 AM   
 By:   pzfan   (Member)

Where did all these Unsullied and Dothraki come from?
They were quite decimated in the battle with white walkers.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2019 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

If you research early eps there were far.more soldiers. So they did lose lots of men


Damn nitpickers!

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2019 - 3:53 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Re: Season Eight, Episode Six "The Iron Throne"

Give Tyrion Lannister credit for walking right up to Deanerys, in her Nuremberg moment, and ripping his badge of office off, flinging it down the colossal staircase and putting himself into the Dragon Queen's custody.

Beforehand, Tyrion had insisted on inspecting the beach entrance level of the Red Keep, finding his late twin siblings (And I do mean twins. For those not up on the novels, Cersei and Jaime were non-identical twin brother and sister.) underneath a very tidy amount of rubble. Last week, I'd had hopes of Cersei being utterly obliterated. I can forgive the opportunity to give Tyrion his proper amount of dignified grief on this matter.

A word on obliteration here. George R.R. Martin goes to some length describing in the novels what a moral and material cesspool King's Landing was. It would figure that, with justice coming for Cersei, much of the denizens of the city would suffer an assignation of her malice and perversity through Daenerys' vengence. In the novels, it's never a question of how many innocents would perish ultimately in the decadent capital, but only what percentage and how gruesomely. The answer is: the maximum.

Jon visits Tyrion in custody. Jon is still wrestling with his loyalty to Daenerys. Tyrion has jumped ship. This scene suffers substantially from the lesser dialogue skills of the showrunners compared to Martin, but we're used to that by now, aren't we? One mark of a long-running TV or movie narrative that's beginning to smell stale is the recycling of old nostrums and wisdoms from the same character from earlier in the run (I'm looking at you Star Wars.) This lackluster scene, which should have had as much portent as any in the whole series, has none of that, though the actors' skills make it bearable.

Then to the climax of the entire series. Daenerys, having established a grip on the capital city, seems to soften now that her reign is assured. Jon goes to the blasted throne room to meet her. They embrace and kiss. I'll give the showrunners credit from stealing from the best of cinema here. Billy Wilder's Double Indemnity (based on the 1943 novella by James M. Cain.) has the same climax. Fred McMurray and Barbara Stanwyck share a final embrace, before McMurray shoots her in the gut. With Jon Snow, it's his trusty dirk into Daenerys' midsection. I could feel it coming halfway through the kiss, and the creators made it classy with pathos and just a little gore from the mouth and nose. Nice touch to have Jon turn on her before we know about it. Best surprise of the final season.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Indemnity_(film)

Of course, this surprise is wasted, what with the desultory scene with Tyrion and Jon just before. It would've had a lot more effect if a sense of doom was allowed to coalesce around Tyrion in advance. The showrunners busted that opportunity just as they busted the whole aftermath of the poisoning of the late King Joffrey, R.I.P., back in season four. That whole period of Tyrion's imprisonment and eventual rescue by Jaime, leading to Tyrion's murder of Tywin, his father, was too rushed and trite. Same here. I won't torture you by going into my assumptions about this. You've read it all before.

As Jon is murdering (justly?) Daenerys, remaining dragon Drogon is stalking into the throne room, only to discover his "mother" dispatched. Drogon lets Jon live, but blasts the damnable Iron Throne out of existence in the same manner his forebearer, Balerion the Dread, created it, by welding the enemy swords raised against Aegon the Conquerer into a garish royal seat with his own flaming breath. Drogon then snatches Daenerys' corpse, and files off to who knows where.

Now to the Westerosi political settlement. Here, the Budget Fuck dictates that we get a Continental Conference attended by about ten lords and ladies, in that same little stone amphitheater that the showrunners choose to shoot all scenes of potential majesty when the budget can't be stretched any further. "Majesty on the Cheap" let's call it.

I thought it was a nice touch to have Samwell Tarly propose letting all the smallfolk of Westeros directly elect their next leader, only to have the Lords laugh in his face about it. I'd always assumed after reading A Song of Ice and Fire novel five, A Dance with Dragons, in which the Night's Watch becomes the only institution in Westeros to hold an election of its new leader, that Samwell or Jon would propose doing away with the Westerosi monarchy in favor of something more representative; but no.

Besides, Jon isn't even included in the conference. He's in the custody of Daenerys' forces for her killing. Another instance here of rushing the narrative to a degree that everything becomes sketchy and trite. Jon's re-banishment to the Night's Watch would have had infinitely more gravitas if the suspense had been allowed to percolate to even a slight degree. Sorry, the showrunners didn't have time for that. Star Wars awaits.

In conclusion, you know who gets what position or what office, so I won't bore you with that. When you get a series of these rotating montages, with Sansa getting crowned Queen-in-the-North, Arya setting sail Into the Sunset (A significant concept to those who've read the novels.), or Jon getting back to Castle Black, you know the showrunners have run out of gas...and so have I.

In short, like almost everything made into a significant movie or show (excepting Jaws and The Godfather, of course.) the book is far better. So, Joan Hue, load up your Kindle or your phone, or even visit your local library or second-hand bookstore and get with it! You won't regret it!

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2019 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I just bought the 1-7 box set and just watched episode one. I haven't seen one episode before. I like it so far.

 
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