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 Posted:   Apr 13, 2020 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The Underground Man (1974)


Wow, I loved those opening credits! I wonder if this is available on one of those MoD sites. What a cast!

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2020 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Like being in a padded cell in an asylum. An organ playing would compliment that perfectly.

You're a Cynical Man, Charlie Brown.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2020 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Like being in a padded cell in an asylum. An organ playing would compliment that perfectly.

You're a Cynical Man, Charlie Brown.


I wasn't saying it like it was a negative thing.

I'm curious if your dvd copy looks better than the one I uploaded (you can see right off it's a beat-up print). I've seen a TV recording from Europe that looked great (except for the screen bug and foreign language).

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2020 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I'm curious if your dvd copy looks better than the one I uploaded (you can see right off it's a beat-up print). I've seen a TV recording from Europe that looked great (except for the screen bug and foreign language).

Just going by my own opinion as I've just put on the dvd, but I think it looks pretty good! The first minute or so of the pre-credits sequence has a lot of dirt and damage, but then it clears up considerably after the hapless dope driving along the dark road is killed. Contrast, colors, and blacks are pretty darn good, too. Sound is okay, as it's pretty clear.

It looks like a print of the same quality the Mystery Science Theater 3000 guys would watch.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2020 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I'm curious if your dvd copy looks better than the one I uploaded (you can see right off it's a beat-up print). I've seen a TV recording from Europe that looked great (except for the screen bug and foreign language).

Just going by my own opinion as I've just put on the dvd, but I think it looks pretty good! The first minute or so of the pre-credits sequence has a lot of dirt and damage, but then it clears up considerably after the hapless dope driving along the dark road is killed. Contrast, colors, and blacks are pretty darn good, too. Sound is okay, as it's pretty clear.

It looks like a print of the same quality the Mystery Science Theater 3000 guys would watch.


Thanks for checking it out. It sounds like it might be the same dvd I have - which I uploaded to youtube. If you jump to 43:23 with the police cars, you can see white scratches across the screen. That would probably indicate they were the same.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2020 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Perhaps Killdozer (also from 1974) would be the "ideal" second feature.

Make it a triple feature with 1974 TVmovie "Where have all the people gone?" starring Peter Graves.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2020 - 6:45 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Thanks for checking it out. It sounds like it might be the same dvd I have - which I uploaded to youtube. If you jump to 43:23 with the police cars, you can see white scratches across the screen. That would probably indicate they were the same.

The white scratches were there, albeit ever so briefly.

Considering the age and condition of the dvd, the picture and sound are quite decent for a dollar store kind of item.

On top of that, this dvd has managed to last several years longer than the highfalutin Warner Brothers discs which self destruct under even the most ideal conditions.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2020 - 6:51 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Clint and Pete were old friends. I didn't see any subtext suggested except that Clint is a psycho.

I know they were old friends, but there may have been a little more to their friendship.


Clint Walker's character has some pretty suggestive dialogue towards the end of the film that comes across as being obsessed with the Graves character.

Oh, and there is some fun, frantic-sounding Fender Rhodes source music functioning as underscore for the scene in the restaurant when Walker is scaring the shit out of the pompous beardo who took umbrage to Walker being a hunter of animals.

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2020 - 2:44 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Dan Curtis produced Scream of the Wolf. Curtis was the man who produced The Night Stalker (1972), which introduced Carl Kolchak to the world. Dan Curtis would go on to direct the 1973 sequel, The Night Strangler (1973).

Both films were ratings winners, so there must have been a lot of anticipation by early 1974, when Scream of the Wolf aired, which was exactly one year to the day after The Night Strangler premiered.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2020 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


Clint Walker's character has some pretty suggestive dialogue towards the end of the film that comes across as being obsessed with the Graves character.


That and the arm-wrestling segment.

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2020 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)


Clint Walker's character has some pretty suggestive dialogue towards the end of the film that comes across as being obsessed with the Graves character.


That and the arm-wrestling segment.


One could be charitable and dismiss that as something macho good old boys do, but given what is said later, I'll accept it. wink

Clint Walker is a Hemingway parody in a way. There's some dialogue he has in which he chides former bad-ass Graves about having become a writer. It's as though the intention was for Walker to out-Hemingway Hemingway!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2020 - 7:47 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Clint Walker is a Hemingway parody in a way. There's some dialogue he has in which he chides former bad-ass Graves about having become a writer. It's as though the intention was for Walker to out-Hemingway Hemingway!

Who would they get for the remake? Could they even remake it? Movies have become so uber violent since the 1970s, with even more outlandish villains, it's rather quaint to see the anti-violence, anti-big hunter, animal rights sentiment.

I still don't see a gay subtext. Clint viewed humanity as "drudges" and Pete was the only person he considered sparing from his "most dangerous game." Ultimately Pete was just another civilized loser in his eyes.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2020 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Bob Odenkirk in both roles.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2020 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I watched "In a lonely place" recently and noticed some similarities. Bogart is called a superior human by his cop buddy whose wife thinks he's a sadistic psycho, but the buddy says you have to know Bogie, he's always been that way. Like Pete and his girlfriend discussing Clint, although Clint is the one who says he (as predator) is superior. Bogart's manager says he's a violent man and that you have to accept that part of him, again echoing Pete's explanations for Clint's unusual behavior.

To keep this thread kosher, I liked the soundtrack. Funk re-orchestration as well as straight copy of Night Stalker music.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2020 - 4:50 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

To keep this thread kosher, I liked the soundtrack. Funk re-orchestration as well as straight copy of Night Stalker music.

Reusing music is a Dan Curtis/Robert Cobert hallmark!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2020 - 4:57 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Yeah, which is why it was worth mentioning that Cobert tweaked it with a pop music style. I don't know the Dark Shadows music, but for the horror movies, I think this was his only attempt.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2020 - 5:05 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Yeah, which is why it was worth mentioning that Cobert tweaked it with a pop music style. I don't know the Dark Shadows music, but for the horror movies, I think this was his only attempt.

Not counting The Night Stalker and The Night Strangler.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2020 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Yeah, which is why it was worth mentioning that Cobert tweaked it with a pop music style. I don't know the Dark Shadows music, but for the horror movies, I think this was his only attempt.

Not counting The Night Stalker and The Night Strangler.


The point was the credits theme here was a funky pop variation of the Night Stalker music. I don't recall any funky reinterpretations within Night Stalker/Strangler. Night Stalker has some jazzy bits in the chase sequence leading to the swimming pool scene, but it's not toe-tapping pop music.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2020 - 6:51 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Got it. The Night Stalker cue I had in mind was that brief, funky bit when the blonde with the Shag haircut and Hot Pants gets taken down, but that's not exactly "pop" in the way you mean.

Speaking of The Night Stalker/Strangler, this thread can take the blame for me watching those sometime this week.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2020 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Thought I was gonna have to arm wrestle you to prove my point. Btw, I thought most of victims were blonde with hot pants. wink
But to be fair, Night Strangler main theme has a more strident, driving beat than simply porting the Stalker theme as is.

 
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