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 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Neal Hefti's one and only Western score....shame he didn't do more.



Love Duel At Diablo. A fine Hefti western score.

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

The TV series, The Tall Man, starring Clu Gulager and Barry Sullivan, had a very odd and unusual score by Juan Garcia Esquivel.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Garc%C3%ADa_Esquivel

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Most are listings previous film scores. I'll answer the question which is on FUTURE western scores.

Roque Banos
Patrick Doyle
John Powell

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Here’s a couple, one of which is impossible, alas, and one of which could still happen -

John Tavener
Rick Wakeman

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Morricone, good choices for FUTURE western scores.

Two composers who have not scored westerns and might be good are Daniel Pemberton and Anne Dudley.

David Arnold did Last Of The Dogmen which is a modern score, but after hearing Independence Day, I think he could give us a stirring western score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Banos has absolutely done a western! 800 BULLETS. And it's a great "Neo-Spaghetti Western" at that:



Plus his amazing "Aragon Symphony" is basically one giant western-style suite, combining massive symphonic and choral forces with regional flavors of the Spanish Aragon region (from which, I presume, Banos might hail or have an ancestral connection based on the pieces' conception). You could however easily set this to the sweeping landscapes of the southwestern United States without anyone batting an eye.

Check it out, it's seriously great stuff and perhaps the best singular work Banos has yet given us. A little Barry, a little Ravel, a lot of Spanish flavor a la Rodrigo. Lots of symphonic acumen, and heart, on display here:

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Oddly enough, that BILLY TWO HATS end title is nowhere to be found in the allegedly complete copy of the score John gave me - nor does it really sound like anything else from the corpus of the larger work. Strange!

Most interesting Bob. I cant recall if the opening title is the same or a different piece. I seem to recall some scottish fiddle flavour, similar to patrick Williams Butch n sundance.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Sylvester Levay's The Tracker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDU1Rzp7Ya4&t

Brian Banks' and Anthony Marinelli's Young Guns.

Both great choices.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Those 2 youtube videos of Banos music were great. 800 Bullets made my mouth drop and water at the 2:21 mark. That was a rousing theme.

Reading about Banos reminded me of a composer whose music has been really gorgeous, and that would be Fernando Velazquez. Give him a western.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Velazquez is indeed also a talented fellow. Love THE ORPHANAGE and CRIMSON PEAK especially, though his most acclaimed score, THE IMPOSSIBLE, didn't click with me - Too simple, too obvious. Yes, it's"sweeping", but there's a kind of simple-mindedness to the writing that felt... A bit trite I suppose? Like a Mark Mckenzie Christian family film score. Yes, it's thematic and orchestral, which we all love of course, but if those ingredients aren't used in the right fashion, does it really matter that much? Likewise A MONSTER CALLS felt like a hugely missed opportunity to me.

But I digress.

I'd love to see him do an "everything-and-the-kitchen-sink" symphonic western, and really push himself compositionally while he's at it. Crimson Peak especially shows a great voice is lurking in there but the inspiration obviously isn't equal across all his output.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Crimson Peak is one of my favorite scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 4:31 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Really outstanding, isn't it Joan? Having a director like Del Toro who loves, appreciates and understands the value of thematic scoring probably didn't hurt the situation one bit...

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 5:53 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Oddly enough, that BILLY TWO HATS end title is nowhere to be found in the allegedly complete copy of the score John gave me - nor does it really sound like anything else from the corpus of the larger work. Strange!

Could it have been mislabeled for you perhaps? Have you checked the film to see if it matches up?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 6:09 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Oddly enough, that BILLY TWO HATS end title is nowhere to be found in the allegedly complete copy of the score John gave me - nor does it really sound like anything else from the corpus of the larger work. Strange!

Could it have been mislabeled for you perhaps? Have you checked the film to see if it matches up?

Yavar


I'm not hearing that cue anywhere, I'm afraid. Most of the score, at least as Scott gave it to me (running just under 39 minutes) is far more moody and bleak than that end title piece as well. A far cry from his more opulent works, and outside some familiar trumpet phrasing, I really don't hear much of Scott's own voice in the score.

I hope for everyone else's sakes he gets around to releasing it (or someone does, he has the music all transferred and ready to go) and I guess I'm the odd man out in my indifference to the score. It's well done and technically impressive sometime but there's just so little to grasp onto emotionally.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 6:26 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Correction:

Yavar, you're absolutely right, the cue IS included! But much earlier in the body of the score, and I guess that's why I somehow failed to noticed. Clearly it was not used where intended and ended up being tracked in at the end of the film instead, as that Youtube link simply (and rather glaringly now that I listen closely) edits/loops the first half of the cue twice over for the end title's duration.

Here's the actual piece ("Moving On") and it is, assuming Scott's chronology is correct, spotted to belong somewhere about halfway through the score and/or film:

http://picosong.com/wcWtW/

Enjoy people, I might share more cues if anyone's interested.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2018 - 11:52 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Duzza me madre maka da spaghetti, Bob?!!!!!
Yes Please do.

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2018 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

Banos has absolutely done a western! 800 BULLETS. And it's a great "Neo-Spaghetti Western" at that:



Plus his amazing "Aragon Symphony" is basically one giant western-style suite, combining massive symphonic and choral forces with regional flavors of the Spanish Aragon region (from which, I presume, Banos might hail or have an ancestral connection based on the pieces' conception). You could however easily set this to the sweeping landscapes of the southwestern United States without anyone batting an eye.

Check it out, it's seriously great stuff and perhaps the best singular work Banos has yet given us. A little Barry, a little Ravel, a lot of Spanish flavor a la Rodrigo. Lots of symphonic acumen, and heart, on display here:



I will certainly put my vote in for Banos. The Aragon Symphony is wonderful as is the rest of the "in concert" album. I will also recommend his Goya en Burgdeos album.

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2018 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Valiant65   (Member)

I'd like to see/hear Mark Isham do a real western. His "The Longest Ride" is a delicate modern western that hints of what he can obviously turn out. The best track that could fit into any western is "Defeating Rango". He's got that rousing western theme in him.

Then I'd like to see what Daniel Hart could do. His "Pete's Dragon" has some strong themes. Go listen to the track "The Bravest Boy I've Ever Met".

Two odd choices in years past were Michel Legrand who did "The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing". Thanks to FSM for releasing the rejected score. And then Fred Karlin who did "The Stalking Moon".

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2018 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

  • Tan Dun.
  • Shigeru Umebayashi.

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