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What's more problematic about SOMEWHERE IN TIME (which I can't embrace as a story as much as I'd like to, for the sake of John Barry's score) is its taking place mostly in 1912 -- yet the Jane Seymour character identifies the piece "Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini" as her favorite piece of music ... although Rachmaninoff didn't compose it until 1934. Humbly, I apologize and withdraw my own false criticism. A recheck of the movie proved narratively that the Rachmaninoff piece was, in fact, a favorite of Collier (the Christopher Reeve character), and not Elise (Seymour). She heard it in 1912 only when he, from the future, had hummed the melody in her presence. That's simply what comes of taking a swipe at a film I don't care for, without having watched it in years.
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Van Halen's music in 1955... or Benny Goodman's, a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
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In case of non-diegetic music, it does not bother me, because obviously, that may be an artistic choice. As far as music within a movie scene, I'm pretty much with Thor: if a movie is set in 1964 and the characters listen to a song that came out in 1965, it's probably not bothering me all that much. Chances are of course that I would not even notice, but even if I did, I'd still see this as a song as being from more or less from the time period of the movie setting. So it depends or jarring the error may be. This is not just limited to music. Sometimes there are other chronological errors in films, like the model of a car that did not yet exist at the time when a movie is playing, or a western where people use guns or rifles that were not manufactured until a few years after the story takes place. I accept that movies are "make believe" and not documentaries, so if a particular gun or car or song is used anachronistically but the rest of the movie is good, so be it. But I nevertheless enjoy the nitpickers who notice and point out these little slip-ups, as long as they are doing it at the appropriate time and place and not during a theatrical screening. :-)
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Chronological errors are deliberately rampant in MOULIN ROUGE (2001), in which pop songs from the MTV generation are performed in a circa 1900 cabaret setting. The film was a big hit, but in my opinion it was ridiculous. That's probably my favorite musical. :-) I love that movie, but those were not chronological "errors". An "error" implies that it was a mistake. The movie had no pretense of being an accurate depiction of a time period; it and the audience was "in" on the fact that these songs were modern pop songs in a turn of the (last) century setting. It's a jukebox musical. One may not like the songs or their use of them, but those were not chronological "errors", they were obviously deliberate.
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Stefan Huber wrote: This is really an interesting topic. I generally dislike the dubbing of pop or rock music in period movies - like "A Knight's Tale" ... Later, eriknelson wrote: Chronological errors are deliberately rampant in MOULIN ROUGE (2001), in which pop songs from the MTV generation are performed in a circa 1900 cabaret setting. The film was a big hit, but in my opinion it was ridiculous. Really, "A Knight's Tale" and "Moulin Rouge!" are no more historical movies than "Star Wars" is science fiction. Expecting historical accuracy, of any sort, from the first two is as sensible as expecting any sort of scientific accuracy from the third.
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What about the flamenco guitars as Maximus rides into Spain in GLADIATOR?
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But guitars in GLADIATOR or Victorian chorals in HUNCHBACK Main Titles is not "anachronistic", as that is non-diegetic film music, it's underscore. I mean, not only were there no flamenco guitars during the days of GLADIATOR, but also no violins or cellos or bassoons... the entire idea of a modern symphony orchestra in any movie before the 18th century is completely anachronistic. On that account Miklós Rózsa's score for BEN HUR is more anachronistic than the use of classic rock songs in A KNIGHT'S TALE, as the historical gap between the rock songs and A KINGHT'S TALE is only a few centuries, but the historical gap between BEN HUR and a symphony orchestra is more like 1800 years. :-)
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"Midnight, The Stars and You" which is heard in the 1920s "ghost party" scene in The Shining, was not published until 1934.
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scatmanjack wrote: The Alto Flute in Turandot Orchestra in Mission Impossible: Rouge Nation... Unless there's a Mission Impossible move set before Turandot was composed, or before Alto flutes were invented, I'm not sure how this is a chronological error of the sort we're discussing. More info would be welcome. Oh, and "Rouge Nation"? Who are you calling a pinko, eh?
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scatmanjack wrote: Assassin smuggles gun as an Alto Flute... There is no Alto Flute in Turandot Orchestra Orchestration... Damn! Well spotted. That's something few people would have picked up. Well done.
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scatmanjack wrote: Assassin smuggles gun as an Alto Flute... There is no Alto Flute in Turandot Orchestra Orchestration... Damn! Well spotted. That's something few people would have picked up. Well done. I have not seen MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: ROGUE NATION, but even if there is an error with an Alto Flute (so someone smuggles a gun in a flute that is not actually needed in the orchestra?), it is not really a chronological error, is it?
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