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It's somewhat amusing to me how everyone is dismissing this as "minor." And not even mentioning the rather overt lack of any noticeable film grain or the softness of many shots - when the same issue plagued To Catch a Thief and they were so up in arms about that. As Art Linkletter said, People Are Funny.
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It's somewhat amusing to me how everyone is dismissing this as "minor." And not even mentioning the rather overt lack of any noticeable film grain or the softness of many shots - when the same issue plagued To Catch a Thief and they were so up in arms about that. As Art Linkletter said, People Are Funny.
I dunno how well the grain should look with 3-strip films, but are you talking about the softness in some of the model effects shots? The restoration video mentioned addressing issues like softness, but said they wanted to be conservative about what they altered, mainly cleaning up damage and removing wires.
The music issue is "minor" since it's an omission rather than a noticeable defect (squeal, speed change, click, etc), it's not going to stick out or ruin the rest of the movie for most viewers. But in general, you expect a high-def release to be the last word (unless they're using an old master), so it's still disappointing. Kino's remaster of "Kolchak The Night Strangler" is missing the first second of music, and some "Outer Limits" episodes have brief volume problems. Most people won't notice, and their release will become the reference version into the future. Seems like there was better quality control for dvd releases.
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It's somewhat amusing to me how everyone is dismissing this as "minor." And not even mentioning the rather overt lack of any noticeable film grain or the softness of many shots - when the same issue plagued To Catch a Thief and they were so up in arms about that. As Art Linkletter said, People Are Funny.
I dunno how well the grain should look with 3-strip films, but are you talking about the softness in some of the model effects shots? The restoration video mentioned addressing issues like softness, but said they wanted to be conservative about what they altered, mainly cleaning up damage and removing wires.
The music issue is "minor" since it's an omission rather than a noticeable defect (squeal, speed change, click, etc), it's not going to stick out or ruin the rest of the movie for most viewers. But in general, you expect a high-def release to be the last word (unless they're using an old master), so it's still disappointing. Kino's remaster of "Kolchak The Night Strangler" is missing the first second of music, and some "Outer Limits" episodes have brief volume problems. Most people won't notice, and their release will become the reference version into the future. Seems like there was better quality control for dvd releases.
I know all about three-strip and grain. There are a ton of opticals in this film - if you think those should have no grain, well, they should. And there is little. They've used some kind of grain management. And no, some of the production photography is noticeably soft.
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Jim, I think it's important to clarify whether you have the overseas disc or the Criterion.
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Well, somehow I knew all the old ladies here would come out and clutch their pearls about this Criterion version. It looks and sounds better than it ever has, especially if you can still remember the ghastly first version that showed up on laser disc back in the day that was a muddy, blurry mess. This one is just fine.
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Don't kill me please, but I was very very disappointed in this Criterion release. It looks just OK in my book -- clearly better than previous releases, but the colors and clarity are underwhelming IMHO. Can't comment about the sound. I do still have the old LD CAV release, and I have a 4K streaming version from Vudu. Would those help me in any way to decipher what the sound complaints are by comparing what sound is on the old LD with both the stereo and mono tracks on the new Criterion and the Vudu 4K? I missed out on the Intrada release so that is a not available for me.
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Pardon me for commenting on merely the music for a moment rather than the quality of the audio, but was there ever a more urgent and exhilarating opening title to a sf film? Or any film come to that.
What I wouldn't give to hear a quality rerecording in full stereo with the base turned up! The percussion is nothing short of stunning and the symbols crashing feel like an actual splash.
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Don't kill me please, but I was very very disappointed in this Criterion release. It looks just OK in my book -- clearly better than previous releases, but the colors and clarity are underwhelming IMHO. Can't comment about the sound. I do still have the old LD CAV release, and I have a 4K streaming version from Vudu. Would those help me in any way to decipher what the sound complaints are by comparing what sound is on the old LD with both the stereo and mono tracks on the new Criterion and the Vudu 4K? I missed out on the Intrada release so that is a not available for me.
Oh, but vinyl scrubber will call you an old lady!  People don't understand, it's that simple. There has been grain management and Robert Harris has acknowledged it in his review and subsequent posts - I discussed it with him first to make sure my eyes weren't deceiving me. For To Catch a Thief, which has the same issue, everyone was up in arms. For this, it's fine. Go know. They used an IB Tech print for the color reference, which in theory is great, but if it wasn't projected with a carbon arc light source or looked at with something resembling a carbon arc light source, which is what prints of the era were timed for, then it's not going to be accurate if viewed with a Xenon light source. It's always surprising when the folks who do this don't understand that simple little thing.
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To repeat, the whining of a few anal retentives should not deter one from enjoying what is probably the best video iteration of this classic available.
"...There it is--too many notes."
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To repeat, the whining of a few anal retentives should not deter one from enjoying what is probably the best video iteration of this classic available.
"...There it is--too many notes."
Maybe you should stop with the insults - that would be my advice, friend.
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They used an IB Tech print for the color reference, which in theory is great, but if it wasn't projected with a carbon arc light source or looked at with something resembling a carbon arc light source, which is what prints of the era were timed for, then it's not going to be accurate if viewed with a Xenon light source. It's always surprising when the folks who do this don't understand that simple little thing.
Exactly, which is likely a big part of why the color in Christopher Nolan's "curated" 2001: A Space Odyssey is so atrocious (I saw it at the Motion Picture Academy's Goldwyn Theater, where the color temperature of the projector lamps has always been off, and don't even match each other. You'd think that one place where that would be understood is the Academy).
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"Maybe you should stop with the insults - that would be my advice, friend. "
Sorry, I guess I'm just fully embracing my "Old Fart-ness" having recently turned 73.
By the way, get off my lawn!
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