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I dont see whats missing. Ches were merged together on the Varese and separated on the new one.
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You bought the new version and have no intention of listening?
What am I missing here?
You're missing the fact that I have already listened to the Sony release and am not a fan of it. Varese sounds better to my ears, and it's extremely hard for me to listen to action/horror cues without bass to it. I honestly probably wouldn't be as critical if the bass wasn't missing in some cues - I don't see how you miss that in production.
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Having missed the Varese CD and not willing to pay extortionate prices for the CD on the secondary market, I have bought this and have thoroughly enjoyed the CD. However, really disappointed that the end credits and the familiar Ghostbusters theme has been omitted from the release. This release would have been in safe hands with LLL!
Yeah, that might be what many of us are thinking, that LLL would've handled it the way that most of us would've preferred, with no missing music, and MM's special touch.
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Having missed the Varese CD and not willing to pay extortionate prices for the CD on the secondary market, I have bought this and have thoroughly enjoyed the CD. However, really disappointed that the end credits and the familiar Ghostbusters theme has been omitted from the release. This release would have been in safe hands with LLL!
You mean familiar as in "Huey Lewis litigation" or familiar as in Bernstein's great theme? The Bernstein theme is on there, at least!
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So, I've opened few tracks from both albums in Adobe Audition to have a proper close look at the differences.
And my conclusion is that the SONY mix is vastly superior to the VARESE one.
On the SONY album, the dynamic of each track is higher, there's almost no noise without losing any detail. It's crispier. I noticed for some tracks a different spacial repartition of the instruments and the removal of reverb ("Hello")
It's pretty clear when I look at the sound waves in Audition, that in comparison, VARESE boosted the level without much care for dynamic or sound quality (The noise is audible throughout the whole album).
I can see how it makes it feel closer to the mix in the movie since noise was a common part of the experience in theater back then, but IMO it's a no brainer that the SONY edition is the one to keep if you can only have one.
I’m glad you did this, I was going to do the same. What kills it for me where the Sony release is concerned, is the absence of bass in some cues. I can’t handle not hearing bass in a score like this. Take ‘Meeting 2’ for example (The Gatekeeper on Varese), when the strings open up and plays an almost love version of Gozers theme, the bass is nice and rich. Then follows an organ and two crescendos, and that rich bass is non existent. I don’t understand that.
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From a physical presentation standpoint, the Varese is the one to keep. If for no reason other then having liner notes with decent artwork (although I wish it featured Winston on the cover too). Also, some cues sound better on the Varese, (i.e. The Gatekeeper (Meeting 2 on the Sony). It seems to me a lot of the electronics were mixed down as well. So Im definitely keeping both CDs. Its a pain to put these cues in chronological order since they are sort of all over the place on both discs.
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Its a pain to put these cues in chronological order since they are sort of all over the place on both discs.
Other than the album arrangement of Dana's Theme in the middle of the program, the Varese is in film order.
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I'm listening now, and I think it sounds great.
I've not done a comparison yet with the Varese, I'll give that a go tomorrow. But it sounds like between the two we can make a nice little "best of." I know we shouldn't really have to.... but hey.
As for the End Titles being missing... I bet it's because the drummer stops, stumbles, then carries on. Always makes me chuckle. But Sony probably just thought it was a bit naff.
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Studio drummers.... Sheesh!
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Although the Sony has a crisper sound I don't like the fact that some of the bass seems to be mixed out on a couple cues. I now regret buying the Sony version since the only thing it has to offer that the Varese doesn't have is the Steel Drums cue.
Sony has a few tracks that were previously unreleased.. the opening :30 to 'Halls', and some music that was unused in the movie.
I agree with you in comparing the two albums.. I've said it about 85 times throughout this thread, but the lack of bass in a lot of cues is just baffling to me.
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I now regret buying the Sony version since the only thing it has to offer that the Varese doesn't have is the Steel Drums cue.
As the google doc I linked to shows, "Steel Drum", "Mistake", "Mr. Stay Puft", "Stairwell", and the opening of "Halls" are ALL new to the Sony and weren't on the Varese.
The only way to hear the complete score Bernstein recorded is to combine both releases (and there's still 2 more source music cues he recorded that are in the film but only on the boots otherwise).
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double post.
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