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 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 5:59 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes, I was thinking about that main title sequence (and a few other places in the film).

Oh, well. We can speculate back and forth. Untill we've heard the original episode, or untill anyone who's seen it chimes in, we won't know for sure.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 6:03 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Yes, I was thinking about that main title sequence (and a few other places in the film).

Oh, well. We can speculate back and forth. Untill we've heard the original episode, or untill anyone who's seen it chimes in, we won't know for sure.


I edited my post, but I'm writing it again in case you didnt' see it.
The main title sequence in Ryder is an edit of 3-4 cues, 2 of which i have just identified (main title and ending cue of episode 3), so this is another element that leans towards the music being a re-use of episode's 3 score.

edit: ok, i have timings.
In the youtube video I posted above:
0.00-0.26 is coming from main title cue of episode 3 (it continues a bit there)
0.27-1.27 is coming from ending cue of episode 3 (it continues there too)
1.27-2.13 haven't identified it yet. maybe it's original music for the Ryker episode

Maybe we should move this conversation to the Kraft Suspense thread. Hehe

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

I've never seen the original two-part "Case Against Paul Ryker" episode. But the first 90 seconds or so of Sergeant Ryker is pretty obviously a credit sequence created for the theatrical release, because it doesn't match the credit sequence of the other Kraft Suspense Theatre episodes. So when Universal re-edited the two-part TV show for theatrical release, someone likely grabbed Williams' music from "End of the World, Baby" to cover the longer title sequence, then tracked bits of it into the episode at various points.

Something similar happened when Universal released "Once Upon a Savage Night" as Nightmare in Chicago: the theatrical version features a jazz waltz over the (newly created) main title sequence that was composed by Stanley Wilson, not Williams, and which did not appear in the original TV episode.

Konstantinos is, I believe, correct about the "End of the World, Baby" theme being newly arranged for use in "War of Nerves," but who did that (Williams himself or a staff composer/arranger at Revue) is a mystery.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

OK, then. I yield -- somewhat reluctantly -- to your logic, Konstantinos and Jeff! wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

Thinking about this some more, another reason they might have tracked music into the movie (aside from the newly created opening and closing credit sequences) is to replace "act-outs" and "act-ins": brief cues that lead dramatically to (or welcome viewers back from) a commerical break.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

I will delve into the details of this thread tomorrow, but in the meantime, I just want to say that I'd love a CD release of music from this show; and even more so, KRAFT SUSPENSE THEATRE, especially the fine music of Franz Waxman and Bernard Herrmann, not to mention some of Williams' greatest early TV work.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   James Corry   (Member)

I'll second that Jim!

J.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 7:52 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Thirded.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2014 - 1:09 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think we all want that! And -- for that matter -- any of the other hundreds of unreleased tv episodes by Williams.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2016 - 8:04 PM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

"Code name Heraclitus" is also mentioned in the Encyclopedia of Television Pilots, 1937-2012/
it was a 60 minute episode, in which they added 40, and released as a TV movie:
http://tinyurl.com/hc8vamp (page 56)
(imdb says music by Johnny Mandel)
aslo here doesn't include Williams:
https://www.loc.gov/item/jots.200014570

and Holloway's Daughters (season 3, episode 19)
http://tinyurl.com/hc8vamp
(page 125)

i really don't know if all this information is legitimate.
i mean about the Williams involvement.
maybe they mention it in regards to the theme, because in the same book in an episode of amazing stories that is confirmed that it was not scored by Williams, they say again music by Johnny Williams.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2016 - 1:48 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Interesting. So should we hold off adding those entries untill more confirmation surfaces? I agree that in the first case, Mandel is probably the composer, and the book also lists Williams because of his theme.

[PS. You can use tinyurl.com to shorten those long links, so we don't make the thread scroll horizonally]

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2016 - 4:37 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Interesting. So should we hold off adding those entries untill more confirmation surfaces? I agree that in the first case, Mandel is probably the composer, and the book also lists Williams because of his theme.

[PS. You can use tinyurl.com to shorten those long links, so we don't make the thread scroll horizonally]


Just found that here, Mr. Eldridge says Eliot Daniel scored "Holloway's Daughters".
I assume he has concrete evidence from the episode itself?
http://tinyurl.com/jnzp2dp

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2016 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Let's see if Jeff responds.

Could you also tinyurl the links in your earlier post (just to avoid the scrolling on smaller screens). Thanks!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2016 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)


Could you also tinyurl the links in your earlier post (just to avoid the scrolling on smaller screens). Thanks!


Done that.(and in my latest posts in the other threads)
Thanks, didn't know that site.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2016 - 6:28 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)


Could you also tinyurl the links in your earlier post (just to avoid the scrolling on smaller screens). Thanks!


Done that.(and in my latest posts in the other threads)
Thanks, didn't know that site.


Great. Seems like it wasn't only those two links, but also one you posted back on August 3rd, 2014...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2016 - 11:31 PM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Found this page from a site that doesn't exist anymore:

http://tinyurl.com/hmthgtr

so, if we combine this information with imdb and encyclopedia of television mentioned earlier we have these alleged Williams scored episodes:

Season 1:
"One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" -- Johnny Williams
"The Candidate" -- Johnny Williams
"War of Nerves" -- Johnny Williams
"Runaway" -- Johnny Williams
"White Snow, Red Ice" -- Johnny Williams
"A Case of Armed Robbery" -- Johnny Williams

Season 2:
"Think Pretty" -- Tommy Wolf (Johnny Williams, arranger)

Season 3:
"The Crime" -- Johnny Williams
"Wind Fever" -- Johnny Williams
"The Sister and the Savage" -- Johnny Williams
Holloway's Daughters (encyclopedia)

Season 4:
"Dear Deductible" -- Johnny Williams (imdb source)
"The Blue-Eyed Horse" -- Johnny Williams
"Code Name: Heraclitus - Part 2" -- Johnny Williams (+ encyclopedia source)
"The Lady Is My Wife" -- Johnny Williams
"Verdict for Terror" -- Johnny Williams

-4 of these are confirmed (in bold)
-6 of these are reported by Jeff Eldridge to not have been written by Williams and i personally verified another one (the candidate) that also is not written by him, so that's 7 (in italics)

so, the ones we need to confirm are these:
"Runaway"
"A Case of Armed Robbery"
"Wind Fever"
"The Blue-Eyed Horse"
"Code Name: Heraclitus - Part 2"

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2016 - 1:32 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Great, Konstantinos. I added the 'arranger' bit on "Think Pretty" to the first post.

Even if we have no more Williams-episodes verified that can be added to the list, we at least have discounted some episodes listed in IMDB (erroneously credited to him)!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2016 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Great, Konstantinos. I added the 'arranger' bit on "Think Pretty" to the first post.



it was cleared in this thread that Williams wrote some score too.
Do you remember the 2 screenshots Jeff Eldridge posted? wink

also, maybe that heraclitus part 2 gets discarded too.
i don't believe they would get one composer for part 1 and another for part 2.
This probably was filmed and scored all together by one man, and splitted to 2 episodes due to time constraints.

 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2016 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Oh, that's my site. It still exists, it's just the host provider is still down (so only a cache will work)


The arranger credit came from an old news article reporting who scored it and that Williams was arranging it. I got otyher credits from FSM, some from IMDb, and episodes loaded to Youtube over the years.

 
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