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The previous "leaked" track list had some typos, and now visual confirmation of the REAL track list has been posted.
Here is the picture: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171207/1c04ddae6047323c25af41f01335b984.jpg
And here the real track list with all typos fixed, with the times added:
01 Main Title and Escape (7:26)
02 Ahch-To Island (4:23)
03 Revisiting Snoke (3:29)
04 The Supremacy (4:01)
05 Fun with Finn and Rose (2:34)
06 Old Friends (4:29)
07 The Rebellion is Reborn (4:00)
08 Lesson One (2:10)
09 Canto Bight (2:38)
10 Who Are You? (3:04)
11 The Fathiers (2:42)
12 The Cave (3:00)
13 The Sacred Jedi Texts (3:33)
14 A New Alliance (3:13)
15 "Chrome Dome" (2:03)
16 The Battle of Crait (6:48)
17 The Spark (3:36)
18 The Last Jedi (3:04)
19 Peace and Purpose (3:08)
20 Finale (8:28)
TOTAL TIME - 1:17:49
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I've heard the album. Some initial, random thoughts
The album is EXTREMELY heavy on returning themes, more so than any Williams sequel score that I can recall. The album essentially completely relies on existing themes to tell its story.
Rose's Theme is the only new theme I picked up on on initial listen. It's not a great theme by any means, I couldn't even hum it for you right now. It's fine.
It didn't sound to me like there are any concert arrangements on the album, which is incredibly surprising.
Kylo Ren's theme dominates the beginning of the album, appearing in big statements in 3 out of the first 4 tracks
The Canto Bight track starts as score, but quickly transitions to source music. It's very similar to Cantina Band, and has several tone/tempo changes, possibly indicating characters are entering different places or time is passing or something. Doesn't really jive well with the rest of the album, I might consider it more of a bonus track for a personal playlist.
The end credits medley is not as wonderful and spectacular as TFA's. It's a pretty choppy medley or seemingly random bits of score. I think Rose's Theme is the only new theme in it.
A lot of the returning themes sound almost exactly the same as variations we've heard before, though there are occasionally some nice new variations of old themes.
Returning themes are practically all of them: Luke, Leia, Luke & Leia, The Force, Vader, Yoda, Rebel Fanfare, Resistance March, Jedi Steps, Snoke, Rey, Kylo Ren, and some of the other First Order stuff. No Emperor's Theme on the album. I don't remember hearing Poe's Theme at all, or a full version of Finn's Theme, but I think I heard a small passage that reminded me of Finn's theme for a bit.
Overall the album is... Fun! It's mostly pretty upbeat and peppy with a lot of action music, and is full of tons of themes we know and love! It doesn't feature much dark, villainous, ominous music, and really doesn't feature any strong new musical identity (Rose's Theme is really not the core of the score like Rey's Theme was, its just one more theme in this giant bed of medleys he plays with).
If I had to pick out some highlights from my first listen, it would be a cool variation of Leia's theme, the reworking of TIE Fighter Attack, some neat Resistance March variations, and a cool Force Theme variation I heard somewhere.
I don't know how to fell about the lack of concert arrangements, this is really unprecedented for a Star Wars score!
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By the way - in the end credits John Williams and William Ross are listed as conductors.
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Let´s wait until this trilogy has ended, shall we?
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Dec 13, 2017 - 10:25 AM
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davefg
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I've heard the album. Some initial, random thoughts
The album is EXTREMELY heavy on returning themes, more so than any Williams sequel score that I can recall. The album essentially completely relies on existing themes to tell its story.
Roses's Theme is the only new theme I picked up on on initial listen. It's not a great theme by any means, I couldn't even hum it for you right now. It's fine.
It didn't sound to me like there are any concert arrangements on the album, which is incredibly surprising.
Kylo Ren's theme dominates the beginning of the album, appearing in big statements in 3 out of the first 4 tracks
The Canto Bight track starts as score, but quickly transitions to source music. It's very similar to Cantina Band, and has several tone/tempo changes, possibly indicating characters are entering different places or time is passing or something. Doesn't really jive well with the rest of the album, I might consider it more of a bonus track for a personal playlist.
The end credits medley is not as wonderful and spectacular as TFA's. It's a pretty choppy medley or seemingly random bits of score. I think Rose's Theme is the only new theme in it.
A lot of the returning themes sound almost exactly the same as variations we've heard before, though there are occasionally some nice new variations of old themes.
Returning themes are practically all of them: Luke, Leia, Luke & Leia, The Force, Vader, Yoda, Rebel Fanfare, Resistance March, Jedi Steps, Snoke, Rey, Kylo Ren, and some of the other First Order stuff. No Emperor's Theme on the album. I don't remember hearing Poe's Theme at all, or a full version of Finn's Theme, but I think I heard a small passage that reminded me of Finn's theme for a bit.
Overall the album is... Fun! It's mostly pretty upbeat and peppy with a lot of action music, and is full of tons of themes we know and love! It doesn't feature much dark, villainous, ominous music, and really doesn't feature any strong new musical identity (Rose's Theme is really not the core of the score like Rey's Theme was, its just one more theme in this giant bed of medleys he plays with).
If I had to pick out some highlights from my first listen, it would be a cool variation of Leia's theme, the reworking of TIE Fighter Attack, some neat Resistance March variations, and a cool Force Theme variation I heard somewhere.
I don't know how to fell about the lack of concert arrangements, this is really unprecedented for a Star Wars score!
To all of you who have seen the film is the upbeat nature of the soundtrack representative of what we hear in the film?
What is the balance between the old themes and the new themes from TFA? I was hoping that Williams would build on those themes.
How does the score from what you've heard on the CD rate? Ahead of the prequels?
Surprising no concert arrangements, I wonder why?
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To all of you who have seen the film is the upbeat nature of the soundtrack representative of what we hear in the film?
I'm not seeing the film for another 30 hours, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot more villain music that didn't make it to the OST.
What is the balance between the old themes and the new themes from TFA? I was hoping that Williams would build on those themes.
The OST album is almost entirely OT themes and TFA themes, with really just Rose's theme as a major new idea (I think there's a smaller recurring idea or two as well). Seems to be there's just about as much OT themes as TFA themes. The Force theme appears A LOT, but so do Kylo Ren and Rey's themes.
How does the score from what you've heard on the CD rate? Ahead of the prequels?
I still like TPM and AOTC more than either Sequel Trilogy score. Both both of these are better than ROTS for me.
Surprising no concert arrangements, I wonder why?
After listening to the entire album again, I am pretty sure "The Rebellion is Reborn" is a concert arrangement, but that's definitely the only one on album.
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Dec 13, 2017 - 1:56 PM
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LeHah
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How does the score from what you've heard on the CD rate? Ahead of the prequels?
For right now, my order of preference musically has the two sequel scores as the "least" in the saga. I have an ardent hatred of TFA (big surprise, I know) but theres a couple stand-out moments I loved like I Can Fly Anything, Rey's Theme and the End Credits. But large parts of it feel like Williams was going through the motions... I was SO looking forward to "Scherzo For X-Wings" and when I heard it is... well, its beautifully arranged but theres nothing "to" it? I'm not sure how to explain it without boring you.
And while I plan on taking my time with TLJ my friend got me from Epcot, I don't see it being better nor worse than my opinion of the last JW Star Wars score. 12 minutes of music I love and the rest is good but not... whatever it is I've come to expect.
Surprising no concert arrangements, I wonder why?
Funny you mention that. When the track titles leaked last week, I thought the same thing but chalked it up to maybe not understanding the titles in context with the music? But now that I've heard it, it strikes me as very odd.
(Similarly, the End Credits suite in TFA and TLJ are absolutely sublimely John Williams firing on all cylinders. Variations, ideas, the whole nine yards. So that magic is still there... I think its the visual material he's responding to that makes the underscore so... rote?)
Ditto, Erik. Would that Courage was still alive to take on a Star Wars film...
Courage would probably dislike you both for thumbing your nose at a professional colleague.
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Well, there is one concert arrangement on the OST album, I just didn't pick up on it on my first listen (other than noticing the end of the track in question was very concert arrangement-esque and not film cue -esque.
I'd rank the SW scores TESB, ROTJ, SW, TPM, AOTC, TLJ, TFA, ROTS.
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Dec 13, 2017 - 2:18 PM
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jenkwombat
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I'd rank the SW scores TESB, ROTJ, SW, TPM, AOTC, TLJ, TFA, ROTS.
I honestly don't know what most of those letters mean. No offence, but I wish to god people wouldn't use shorthand titles like that. Life's too short to work it out.
Here's the translation, Heath...
TPM = The Phantom Menace
AOTC = Attack of the Clones
ROTS = Revenge of the Sith
SW = Star Wars: A New Hope
TESB = The Empire Strikes Back
ROTJ = Return of the Jedi
TFA = The Force Awakens
TLJ = The Last Jedi
EDIT: No Rogue One, Jason? 
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I don't really like the Rogue One score, no, and I was only ranking Williams' efforts anyway.
I have high hopes for Powell's score next year, though.
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