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 Posted:   Aug 19, 2016 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

What's the story with "The Map"?

There are an extra few notes on the Silva version that don't appear here. Was it a different take?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2016 - 1:32 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

The Intrada version is listed as 0:59. The Silva version is 1:09. Ummm... not sure what the difference is, haven't received the Intrada disc, but I'll be gutted if this cue is missing something.

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2016 - 2:53 AM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

The Intrada version is listed as 0:59. The Silva version is 1:09. Ummm... not sure what the difference is, haven't received the Intrada disc, but I'll be gutted if this cue is missing something.

Yeah it is not here. The Silva one had a coda to it and sonically sounds better than the Intrada shorter version. Intrada mention they could not find the map cue for the 35 MM mixes but curious why they did not just use the Silva CD source here. Not end of the world I have just used the Silva one on my playlist. Also used the 35 MM mixes of the the Camp, River Crash, Gun boat and the village attack/helicopter fight instead of the disc 1 tracks. The 35mm ones for these cues are so much better. Also at least one of those short percussion tracks was used during the camp infiltration when Rambo kills a guard with an arrow to the head. Overlay I think? Finally played around with the end credit in Audacity to push more info to the right channel and emphasised treble to make it sound a bit better.

Still a mega CD set. Can't stop playing it. Incredible job by Intrada.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2016 - 3:46 AM   
 By:   SilentWitness   (Member)

Judging by the film, that coda was a fix and not really meant as a coda. The last long note needs to be edited to the end of the track to achieve the film version.
So strictly speaking, the Intrada release is only missing a long held bass note at the end of the track. Nothing major really.
And yes, both "Percussion No. 1" and "Percussion No. 2" are overlays for "The Cage" and can be heard in the film when Rambo kills two guards with arrows.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   Klystèrtelcù   (Member)

"Peace In Our Life" the film version is still missing.

I could be wrong, but I think the version of "Peace In Our Life" on this release IS the film version.


Yes, you're wrong: it is absolutely NOT the movie version. This (album) version is a total obscenity with all that redundant bass everywhere into the cue. It is also missing an electric guitar that you can hear in the film version. And so on...

Much more obscene is that crossfade at track 8 – CD1.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)



Much more obscene is that crossfade at track 8 – CD1.


if that crossfade re-presents what is actually heard in the film then it's fine by me


still could have been nice with a clean STORIES in the bonus section smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 4:00 PM   
 By:   jkirkfsm   (Member)

Part of what makes Jerry Goldsmith awesome is that he's the kind of respectable award winning composer who will score films like this. I can see so many composers looking at this film and saying "I'm above this". But not Jerry! He's going to create something so incredible that not even the film's own action can top it!

If Goldsmith only scored "good films", he would have starved to death by the '80s. In fact, many of his best scores are for some of the most unwatchable movies ever made.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   Moviedrone   (Member)

People actually play 'Peace In Our Life'?

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)



Much more obscene is that crossfade at track 8 – CD1.


if that crossfade re-presents what is actually heard in the film then it's fine by me


still could have been nice with a clean STORIES in the bonus section smile


That is how it plays in the film. My god, who cares about that awful end credit song?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

People actually play 'Peace In Our Life'?

I do, but it's the Goldsmith riff that saves the song from being unlistenable wink

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 5:06 PM   
 By:   Klystèrtelcù   (Member)

...My god, who cares about that awful end credit song?

Obviously you totally ignore the meaning of being a film-music fan. You are a label-fan at most. Poor people.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 6:45 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

...My god, who cares about that awful end credit song?

Obviously you totally ignore the meaning of being a film-music fan. You are a label-fan at most. Poor people.


What on earth are you on about?

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 7:08 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

I love the presentation of the score on disc 1. It plays out beautifully. The new cross fade in Village Raid/Helicopter Fight gives this already knockout cue just that extra punch. I may even try overlaying the two percussion effects over The Cage. Of the 35 mm 3 channel mixes The Jump really stands out with a lot of subtle differences to the synth parts as well as a bolder, more pronounced appearance of the Home Coming theme (Its A Long Road). Not sure if I really understand though? Is this a different take or a different mix? Whatever the case, it's preferable over the previous familiar album versions.
The Map is a strange one. it is indeed missing the coda but curiously it's also missing from the alternate version on the demo cassette which makes me think it was never there in the first place. I seriously doubt Intrada would have cut it off.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2016 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   Rufus Tin   (Member)

I really liked this new album.
The mix in CD 2 is quite strange.
Do not care much for the "Pissing our Life" song.
I do preffer the early version of Helicopter Fight, with less repetitive bits from previous cues. Very sad it is only found on such bad conditions.

The End Credits Goldsmith recorded is also very strange, since it is quite different from the rest of the score and wraps the movie in kind of glorious mood which go against the depressive finale with Rambo walking away. Makes one wonder what Jerry was thinking when composed it...

 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2016 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

...My god, who cares about that awful end credit song?

Obviously you totally ignore the meaning of being a film-music fan. You are a label-fan at most. Poor people.


What on earth are you on about?


Remember that Nicola character who got booted from here a while back?

 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2016 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

cd 1 sounds terrific
cd 2 mixing instead is a complete mess.
This is my humble opinion. Very big issues on the left and center channels, there are sound on the left that should be in the center, and vice versa. I'm afraid they have made a sort of "wrong swapping" on the channels the during mixing.
My new headphones are OK, and my Hi Fi stereo is OK.
I have mixed / mastered at least 30 CDs here in Italy, and all my customers are very happy, so I'm not a dork.
I have had to remix some clues of cd 2 on my own, because of one of the channels was completely devastated and unlistenable.
Remember that also the "remixed edition" of Conan by Intrada is a completely mess: the volume of almost the tracks was wrong set.
Am I the only human with good ears, maybe? I don't think so. I'm afraid many of you are deaf.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2016 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   KingFu Panda   (Member)

cd 1 sounds terrific
cd 2 mixing instead is a complete mess.
This is my humble opinion. Very big issues on the left and center channels, there are sound on the left that should be in the center, and vice versa. I'm afraid they have made a sort of "wrong swapping" on the channels the during mixing.
My new headphones are OK, and my Hi Fi stereo is OK.
I have mixed / mastered at least 30 CDs here in Italy, and all my customers are very happy, so I'm not a dork.
I have had to remix some clues of cd 2 on my own, because of one of the channels was completely devastated and unlistenable.
Remember that also the "remixed edition" of Conan by Intrada is a completely mess: the volume of almost the tracks was wrong set.
Am I the only human with good ears, maybe? I don't think so. I'm afraid many of you are deaf.


Indeed, the CD 2 sounds strange. Maybe it was the original files?

What's wrong with the Conan mixes? Never noticed anything wrong with it, but then again my ears are not trained as your's...

 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2016 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

"Peace In Our Life" the film version is still missing.

I could be wrong, but I think the version of "Peace In Our Life" on this release IS the film version.


Yes, you're wrong: it is absolutely NOT the movie version. This (album) version is a total obscenity with all that redundant bass everywhere into the cue. It is also missing an electric guitar that you can hear in the film version. And so on...


Weird. Then there are two different album versions as the one of the Intrada CD is different from the one on the Silva CD, which isn't the film version either.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2016 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

With some of the technical issues customers have been complaining about. It wouldn't surprise me somewhere down the road if Intrada (or some other label) releases an improved version a la Predator and Dressed To Kill.

 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2016 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

This was going to be part of my next order.

Should I wait for this problem to be fixed?

 
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