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 Posted:   May 10, 2017 - 6:03 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

This track from "Spartacus" sounds like a backing track from Jefferson Airplane's "Surrealistic Pillow" or Tim Buckley's "Goodbye and Hello."

Every time I hear it, I expect to hear Marty Balin or Tim Buckley start singing.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2017 - 6:26 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Tim Buckley?!? You nailed that one, old sport! Someone at those sessions for Tim's first album was listening to Sir Alex of North! One can also hear the "seeds" of Lorca in this track:



Tim Buckley- Song of the Magician

The more I listen, I think it was acid that dropped Alex North. cool

In "Oysters and Snails", one can definitely hear what Jerry Goldsmith would compose for The Sand Pebbles--also from 1966.

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2017 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2017 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Forbidden fruit - isn't this what North's slowly churning track was all about? The tempter and the novice who must decide if what is on offer is something to adopt or discard. It's basically a slow burning musical high-wire act - the balance is delicate and just one small feather push in the wrong direction sends it all tumbling off the edge.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2017 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

You knew this thread was in trouble when it mentioned Alex North AND Tim Buckley.

Film music fans=Musically Conservative.

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2017 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Right On Man!!!
Peace!

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2017 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

This thread is too cool and thought-provoking to die, so of course it must. Damn this place to Hell.

Wishfully and of course selfishly, I also choose to hear North's influence on Gabor Szabo, the late, great Hungarian jazz guitarist who gave voice and image to (my perception of) what the mid-to-late 1960s "felt like."

"Did you ever dream about a place you never really recall being to before? A place that maybe only exists in your imagination? Some place far away, half remembered when you wake up. When you were there, though, you knew the language. You knew your way around. *That* was the sixties. [pause] No. It wasn't that either. It was just '66 and early '67. That's all there was."

I wish Szabo had been employed as a featured soloist on a score composed by Alex North. I wish a lot of things.

Gabor Szabo, "Galatea's Guitar":



"Love is Blue":



Szabo also did a great--make that the best--rendition of "Theme from Valley of the Dolls":

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2017 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Bumped out of spite for Star Wars.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2017 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Oh, and speaking of "acid", I wonder how many FSMers have taken more LSD trips than Cary Grant?

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/may/12/cary-grant-how-100-acid-trips-in-tinseltown-changed-my-life-lsd-documentary

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2017 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

This track from "Spartacus" sounds like a backing track from Jefferson Airplane's "Surrealistic Pillow" or Tim Buckley's "Goodbye and Hello."

Every time I hear it, I expect to hear Marty Balin or Tim Buckley start singing.



Jefferson Airplane's "Surrealistic Pillow" came out in 1967, NOT 1966, which was a much different year musically. I regard "Surrealistic Pillow" as one of the greatest albums of all time.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2017 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)


Jefferson Airplane's "Surrealistic Pillow" came out in 1967, NOT 1966, which was a much different year musically. I regard "Surrealistic Pillow" as one of the greatest albums of all time.


Every source I've looked up list it as being recorded through November, 1966:

http://www.deaddisc.com/ot/Surrealistic_Pillow.htm

Typical FSM pedantry. LOL

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2017 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)


Jefferson Airplane's "Surrealistic Pillow" came out in 1967, NOT 1966, which was a much different year musically. I regard "Surrealistic Pillow" as one of the greatest albums of all time.


Every source I've looked up list it as being recorded through November, 1966:

http://www.deaddisc.com/ot/Surrealistic_Pillow.htm

Typical FSM pedantry. LOL


Except the album WAS released in April 1967.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2017 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I will leave it at that if you'll just listen to those outstanding Gabor Szabo and Tim Buckley songs I've posted. smile

BTW, this is hands down the best title of an FSM thread (Star Wars/Spielberg/Neoconservative Kitsch worshipers will disagree).

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2017 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)


Jefferson Airplane's "Surrealistic Pillow" came out in 1967, NOT 1966, which was a much different year musically. I regard "Surrealistic Pillow" as one of the greatest albums of all time.


Every source I've looked up list it as being recorded through November, 1966:

http://www.deaddisc.com/ot/Surrealistic_Pillow.htm

Typical FSM pedantry. LOL


Except the album WAS released in April 1967.


Make it February 1, 1967. 1967 was a MUCH, MUCH different year musically, when album oriented rock was beginning to take over and A.M. radio was considered a bland joke. Interestingly, Grace Slick said an influence on "Surrealistic Pillow" was Miles Davis' "Sketches Of Spain" (truly one of the greatest jazz albums of all time).

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2017 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Dude, lift your head up from your surrealistic pillow and LISTEN to the Szabo, man.

Besides, we gotta keep all those damned Star Wars threads from rising like cream and bastards. wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2017 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

...NOT 1966, which was a much different year musically.

Sorry, Bub, but 1966 was GROUND ZERO for psychedelia, epitomized by such tracks as the Stones' "Paint It, Black," the Byrds' "Eight Miles High," and the Yardbirds' "Shapes of Things," to say nothing of the Beatles' "Tomorrow Never Knows."

The psych-folk explorations of both Tim Buckley and Jefferson Airplane began in 1966, not 1967.

And despite all the 1967 "Summer of Love" hype, the artistic peak for psychedelia was probably Autumn 1966.

So I stand by my thread title. If Alex North was psych progenitor, as I believe he was, he deserves to be placed in 1966 rather than Johnny-come-lately 1967.

Mr. Phelps, I will address Gabor Szabo and Chico Hamilton's 1960s impulse! albums when I have more time.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2017 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Onya: Looking forward to that, thanks.

"Did you ever dream about a place you never really recall being to before? A place that maybe only exists in your imagination? Some place far away, half remembered when you wake up. When you were there, though, you knew the language. You knew your way around. *That* was the sixties. [pause] No. It wasn't that either. It was just '66 and early '67. That's all there was."

This easily applies to psychedelia. Don't believe me? Ask Peter Fonda, who "knows what it's like to be dead."

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2017 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Am I the only one who'd like to know who and what Jim's quoting? Or am I the only one who doesn't already know?

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2017 - 7:55 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

"Oysters and snails." Ah yes the Who Dropped The Soap scene! At least that's the way Tony C put it...

Wishfully and of course selfishly, I also choose to hear North's influence on Gabor Szabo, the late, great Hungarian...

That's the last time I scan-read one of your posts at warp speed. Had no idea North influenced Zsa Zsa Gabor. Oh wait--eek

PS

no self-respecting child of the sixties can let acid & Jefferson Airplane go by without at least mentioning White Rabbit cool

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2017 - 8:22 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Am I the only one who'd like to know who and what Jim's quoting? Or am I the only one who doesn't already know?

Where have I seen this routine before...Abby someone...oh now I remember: Marv Throneberry in one of the early Lite Beer ads. Yes that's it that's the one I'm sure of it.

"I don't know why they asked me to do this commercial." And in another one,
"I still don't know what I'm doing in this commercial."

Luv ya Jonesy! Btw, nevah hoid o' da Szabo guy eedah.

PS
oh my G--

 
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