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 Posted:   Jan 6, 2018 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Another awful day for England.

Perennial Test struggler Usman Khawaja scored 171. That says it all really. Aus 479/4. Ony two wickets fell.



To lose 5-0 last time and 4-0 this time is unforgivable.

Meanwhile in Cape Town, India's batting is all over the place. 81/6.


Says it all test struggler scoring 171, England need to go away re-group with better selection from ECB, 4-0 a thumping, if they don't switch players for the next ashes in UK, it could be a similar result.

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2018 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Says it all test struggler scoring 171, England need to go away re-group with better selection from ECB, 4-0 a thumping, if they don't switch players for the next ashes in UK, it could be a similar result.

We will have home advantage which always helps. If the ECB prepare flat tracks, Australia will certainly win. The pitches should be seaming ones if we're to win. Play to your strengths.

In the last home Ashes we won 3-2. Australia won their two tests on flat tracks. They cannot cope with the moving ball which is why we won the other three. Who can forget their calamitous collapse for 60 at Trent Bridge. Stuart Broad 8/15.

Stumps on Day Two of the First Test at Cape Town and Hardik Pandya - the number 7 batsman - rescued India somewhat with a run-a-ball 93. They were 92/7 but recovered to 209 all out. Still 77 runs behind SA (286) which is too big a deficit to make up on this pitch. SA 65/2 at stumps so effectively a 150 lead already.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2018 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Says it all test struggler scoring 171, England need to go away re-group with better selection from ECB, 4-0 a thumping, if they don't switch players for the next ashes in UK, it could be a similar result.

We will have home advantage which always helps. If the ECB prepare flat tracks, Australia will certainly win. The pitches should be seaming ones if we're to win. Play to your strengths.

In the last home Ashes we won 3-2. Australia won their two tests on flat tracks. They cannot cope with the moving ball which is why we won the other three. Who can forget their calamitous collapse for 60 at Trent Bridge. Stuart Broad 8/15.

Stumps on Day Two of the First Test at Cape Town and Hardik Pandya - the number 7 batsman - rescured India somewhat with a run-a-ball 93. They were 92/7 but recovered to 209 all out. Still 77 runs behind SA (286) which is too big a deficit to make up on this pitch. SA 65/2 at stumps so effectively a 150 lead already.


Home advantage lifefoot, maybe, the Aussies don't mind are weather conditions or pitches, it will take hero performances like Broad to skittle the Aussies, if England cushion this loss well then who knows in 2 years!

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2018 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

Still in it? erm.. i heard on sky news thsmornin that geoff boycott said "England are f****** shite and havent got a f****** hope in hell of winning 1 test let alone threatening to compete for the series "

ahem... big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 1:50 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Home advantage lifefoot, maybe, the Aussies don't mind are weather conditions or pitches, it will take hero performances like Broad to skittle the Aussies, if England cushion this loss well then who knows in 2 years!

Australia declared on 649/7. Shaun Marsh added 156 and his brother Mitchell added 101. This series has been the making of the Marsh brothers, each scoring two centuries.

England are 93/4. The top three out cheaply again. England need to score 300 just to make Australia bat again. Ain't happening.

Just 24 hours to go and this painful series will be over. Heads have to roll. Nathan Lyon's prediction of ending some England careers may have succeeded beyond his wildest dreams:

PLEASE LEAVE

Mark Stoneman - top score of 56. A lot of nothing scores. Dropped, for me.
James Vince - bats prettily and then gets out, every single bloody time. Dropped.
Stuart Broad - After a resurgence in Melbourne he's gone back to mediocrity here. Had his worst series. Cannot possibly be picked for NZ. Dropped.
Mason Crane. Figures of 193/1 on debut. Says it all. Dropped.

JURY OUT

Alistair Cook - one gigantic innings of 244... and nine innings of nothing. Cannot keep picking on the basis of him scoring a double century once or twice a year. Will play in 2018 but needs to string together some scores.
Joe Root - supposedly part of 'the big four' with Smith, Kohli and Williamson, but not for me he isn't. Played nine Ashes Tests in Australia and never scored a single century. Needs to solve the problem of scoring 50s and getting out. As England captain he will never be dropped.
Jonny Bairstow - kept impeccably with the gloves which is great, and a century in the Perth loss, but needs to score more runs. Couldn't stop scoring in 2016, but has gone into decline with the bat since then.
Moeen Ali - had a fantastic summer in England - scored runs and took wickets - but been dire here. Finger spinners struggle in Australia. Struggled in India too. What do you do with a player who's great at home but so poor overseas?
Tom Curran - supposedly a batting allrounder but hasn't scored any runs. Took a wicket or two but only after conceding runs.

PASS GO AND COLLECT £200

Dawid Malan - Daddy hundred and three half centuries are enough to make this tour a success for him. Jury was out after the West Indies series but has been the best England batsman on this tour.
James Anderson - took wickets at a good economy rate. Had no support from the other bowlers whatsoever.
Craig Overton - took wickets, got injured. Did his job.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Home advantage lifefoot, maybe, the Aussies don't mind are weather conditions or pitches, it will take hero performances like Broad to skittle the Aussies, if England cushion this loss well then who knows in 2 years!

Australia declared on 649/7. Shaun Marsh added 156 and his brother Mitchell added 101. This series has been the making of the Marsh brothers, each scoring two centuries.

England are 93/4. The top three out cheaply again. England need to score 300 just to make Australia bat again. Ain't happening.

Just 24 hours to go and this painful series will be over. Heads have to roll. Nathan Lyon's prediction of ending some England careers may have succeeded beyond his wildest dreams:

PLEASE LEAVE

Mark Stoneman - top score of 56. A lot of nothing scores. Dropped, for me.
James Vince - bats prettily and then gets out, every single bloody time. Dropped.
Stuart Broad - After a resurgence in Melbourne he's gone back to mediocrity here. Had his worst series. Cannot possibly be picked for NZ. Dropped.
Mason Crane. Figures of 193/1 on debut. Says it all. Dropped.

JURY OUT

Alistair Cook - one gigantic innings of 244... and nine innings of nothing. Cannot keep picking on the basis of him scoring a double century once or twice a year. Will play in 2018 but needs to string together some scores.
Joe Root - supposedly part of 'the big four' with Smith, Kohli and Williamson, but not for me he isn't. Played nine Ashes Tests in Australia and never scored a single century. Needs to solve the problem of scoring 50s and getting out. As England captain he will never be dropped.
Jonny Bairstow - kept impeccably with the gloves which is great, and a century in the Perth loss, but needs to score more runs. Couldn't stop scoring in 2016, but has gone into decline with the bat since then.
Moeen Ali - had a fantastic summer in England - scored runs and took wickets - but been dire here. Finger spinners struggle in Australia. Struggled in India too. What do you do with a player who's great at home but so poor overseas?
Tom Curran - supposedly a batting allrounder but hasn't scored any runs. Took a wicket or two but only after conceding runs.

PASS GO AND COLLECT £200

Dawid Malan - Daddy hundred and three half centuries are enough to make this tour a success for him. Jury was out after the West Indies series but has been the best England batsman on this tour.
James Anderson - took wickets at a good economy rate. Had no support from the other bowlers whatsoever.
Craig Overton - took wickets, got injured. Did his job.


Good assessment litefoot, barring Anderson 35, Cook 34, the team is youngish, most players did disappoint with bat, ball, I think the weather was a factor, its at a peak now in Australia, hot, you can cook food off the floor, players under estimated the conditions.

Root deserves another call, just a bad series, he's 27, I'd give him the benefit of doubt, he was probably tired, mentally, plus, other players didn't help crumbling.

Your please leaves, I agree with, not broad though, yes, he was awful nothing happened, but he's 31 I'd give him another chance at home to get wickets it could be his last ashes.

649/7 some total, England have no chance, heads went down long ago on tour which isn't good enough at this level, if you can't bat as a team as they couldn't being run out is always cheap, school boy error, then at least bowl with pressure at economy to some-think gives.

If ECB make a few changes they stand a good chance with these players in 2 years. Cook, Bairstow, Malan, Overton, Anderson, Curran, Ali, Root, if they fail then some need to retire from test cricket.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Good assessment litefoot, barring Anderson 35, Cook 34, the team is youngish, most players did disappoint with bat, ball, I think the weather was a factor, its at a peak now in Australia, hot, you can cook food off the floor, players under estimated the conditions.

Root deserves another call, just a bad series, he's 27, I'd give him the benefit of doubt, he was probably tired, mentally, plus, other players didn't help crumbling.


News just broke that he's in hospital - severe dehydration, diarrhoea and vomiting. Doubt he'll be fit to bat tomorrow. Probably won't play the one day series either.

not broad though, yes, he was awful nothing happened, but he's 31 I'd give him another chance at home to get wickets it could be his last ashes.

I wouldn't take him to NZ though, which is the next series.

If ECB make a few changes they stand a good chance with these players in 2 years. Cook, Bairstow, Malan, Overton, Anderson, Curran, Ali, Root, if they fail then some need to retire from test cricket.

Paul Farbrace said today that they will start planning for the 2021 Ashes down under from tomorrow. That means they would start preparing a team with that series in mind. Cook, Broad and Anderson may get pushed out the door within 12 months, even if they're performing well, because these selectors won't want players that are past it by the time of the next Ashes tour.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 5:00 PM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

In a surprise move - but clearly with a Captain's dedication...after a night in hospital, J Root did indeed turn up this morning and continue batting.

A gutsy move.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 10:28 PM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

But in the end....Futile

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2018 - 1:17 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

But in the end....Futile

That aside, England out with a whimper. Beaten by a massive innings and 123 runs. It's been a terribly sad tour, and I really fear for the future of this team. Cook and Broad clearly in decline. Anderson won't be around forever.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2018 - 2:23 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

England have already said the building for the next 4 years starts right away, so I'd imagine quite a few of the current squad will be phased out. What they've been doing for the past 4 years is anyone's guess.

I take it there is a ODI series and a couple of Twenty20 games still to come?

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2018 - 2:31 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

England have already said the building for the next 4 years starts right away, so I'd imagine quite a few of the current squad will be phased out. What they've been doing for the past 4 years is anyone's guess.

I take it there is a ODI series and a couple of Twenty20 games still to come?


Five ODIs followed by two 20/20s. Then three days later it's two 20/20s vs NZ and then five ODIs vs NZ. Not very sensible.

It's all happening in Cape Town. India have bowled SA out for 130 and need 208 runs to win the First Test. Game on!

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2018 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Stumps on Day Two of the First Test at Cape Town and Hardik Pandya - the number 7 batsman - rescued India somewhat with a run-a-ball 93. They were 92/7

India 81/6 chasing 208. Their top order may as well not have turned up in this Test.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2018 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

India were 131/7, Ashwin and Kumar having put on a 49 run partnership. They were chipping away and 77 runs from the victory target. But then Philander started a new over and finished India off with three wickets in four balls, ending with figures of 42/6. That's the match for South Africa! Indian batting just couldn't cope with the pitch. A cracking Test match - if only the Ashes had been like this.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

ESPNCricInfo rates England's players out of 10:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22010969/moeen-horror-broad-toil-malan-silver-lining

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

First ODI today, and England have given Australia a good thrashing. Jason Roy scored 180, the highest score by an Englishman in a ODI, the highest score in an Ashes ODI and the highest ODI score at the MCG. 1-0 in a five match series.

After the Test series this is obviously very satisfying!

Day 2 at Centurion and SA were bowled out for 336. The Indian top order failed again to leave them 183/5, but Virat Kohli is still there on 85 not out.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 5:04 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

First ODI today, and England have given Australia a good thrashing. Jason Roy scored 180, the highest score by an Englishman in a ODI, the highest score in an Ashes ODI and the highest ODI score at the MCG. 1-0 in a five match series.

After the Test series this is obviously very satisfying!



But only a lollipop...

I wonder again about how cricketers don't seem sufficiently versatile to play all forms of the game. Clearly a five-day test is different to a T-20, but it seems unlikely that a professional cricketer can't master both attacking and defensive strokes, and have the mental wherewithal to know which is appropriate on what days.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

But only a lollipop...

Not if we whup them 0-5, which, with our batting line-up, is a distinct possibility.

I wonder again about how cricketers don't seem sufficiently versatile to play all forms of the game. Clearly a five-day test is different to a T-20, but it seems unlikely that a professional cricketer can't master both attacking and defensive strokes, and have the mental wherewithal to know which is appropriate on what days.

Well our ODI team is very different to our Test team (only Root, Bairstow and Ali in common). And probably just as well as Englishmen seem to find it harder to switch between formats than other nations.

Meanwhile, Ben Stokes has been charged with affray.

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2018 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

India are chasing 287 to win the Second Test at Centurion. But they're in all sorts of trouble at 16/2.

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2018 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Debutant Ngidi has got the big fish Kohli and India are sinking into the mire. India are 35/3 at stumps chasing 287. Final day tomorrow.

 
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