But Solium, doesn't she then look like an idiot at the beginning of "A New Hope" too, coming out of hyperspace above Tatooine of all places (where she's going to meet Obi-Wan Kenobi), if her ruse is "a diplomatic mission to Alderaan"? I think you're over-analyizing it because you didn't like the movie. She was simply being defiant and evasive with her enemy....
Yeah, it was really a desperate attempt at getting out the situation.
In the gap between the two movies, her ship probably jumps to hyperspeed from the battle above Cardiff (or whatever the place was called), to get to Tatooine for the delivery of the message to Obi-Wan. When an imperial cruiser suddenly jumps in on their tail (the opening of ANH), and immediately boards them, you don't have a lot of time to plan for an escape or a 'better lie'.
Leia's "lie" makes no sense in context of what happens in Rogue One. She was there, Darth tried to board her ship. It's the worst lie in diplomatic history and makes her look like an idiot.
But Solium, doesn't she then look like an idiot at the beginning of "A New Hope" too, coming out of hyperspace above Tatooine of all places (where she's going to meet Obi-Wan Kenobi), if her ruse is "a diplomatic mission to Alderaan"? I think you're over-analyizing it because you didn't like the movie. She was simply being defiant and evasive with her enemy....
Without Rogue One's backstory her argument was plausible in a New Hope, her ship was intercepted unexpectedly so she came up with a lie. (Sort of a I don't know what your talking about Vader) With Rogue One's back story (and I'm repeating myself) she was in the middle of a Rebel offensive against the Empire and just evaded Darth Vader. So the line is just stupid now. I think we reached a point of agree to disagree.
With Rogue One's back story (and I'm repeating myself) she was in the middle of a Rebel offensive against the Empire and just evaded Darth Vader. So the line is just stupid now. I think we reached a point of agree to disagree.
But you seem to forget the crucial point that she never saw, met or had any idea that Vader was at the battle.
As warned in the thread title SPOILERS ahead. What a mess this film is.
Rouge One ends with a climatic space battle between the Empire and the Rebel fleet. The Rebels consist of both human and alien characters seen in the other films.
Darth Vader tries to prevent the Rebels from escaping with the Death Star plans by boarding a ship that has Princess Leia and her ship the Blockade Runner docked inside of it! What? Why is Princess Leia hiding inside a ship that purposely went out to battle the Empire? Meanwhile we cut to a cameo of C3PO and R2D2 who are on the Rebel Base on the fourth Moon of Yavin. No where near the battle nor on the Blockade Runner.
Cut back to Darth Vader he attacks the rebel ship and tries to stop the Blockage Runner from escaping. He fails. The film ends with someone handing Princess Leia a hard copy of the Death Star plans.
So A New Hope Literally starts five minutes after the end of Rouge One. Darth Vader chases after the Blockade Runner and boards it. C3PO and R2D2 are on board and C3PO has no idea why they are being boarded. What? He was just at the Rebel base observing the previous battle and how did he and R2D2 get on board?
Darth Vader confronts Leia and she says “We’re are on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan”. What? You and the entire rebel fleet were fighting the Empire and Darth Vader five minutes ago and he saw you escape!
Then Darth Vader says, “Several Transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies”. What? In Rouge One Princess Leia was handed a hard copy of the Death Star plans just five minutes ago. There were no transmissions to the Blockade Runner.
Finally Rebel aliens are seen both at the Rebel base and fighting the Empire in Rouge One. Yet in A New Hope there are no aliens on the Rebel base and none helped in destroying the Death Star. Where did they go?
That's just what I can remember off the top of my head...
The droid cameo occurs right as the fleet is leaving to Scarif. I believe C3PO's line implies that he and Artoo are going there as well with the fleet.
Of course what Garth filmed was NOT a Star Wars film, so Disney probably got cold feet and forced all this stuff in later. (That's my speculation)
Makes sense, but can anyone confirm these were the additions that came later?
It was always 'A Star Wars Story', taking place in the SW universe. After all, the plot revolves completely around the Death Star. Isn't the whole movie fan service for that? What they appear to have gotten cold feet about is the dark ending, after Batman v Superman was so poorly received.
Of course what Garth filmed was NOT a Star Wars film, so Disney probably got cold feet and forced all this stuff in later. (That's my speculation)
Makes sense, but can anyone confirm these were the additions that came later?
It was always 'A Star Wars Story', taking place in the SW universe. After all, the plot revolves completely around the Death Star. Isn't the whole movie fan service for that? What they appear to have gotten cold feet about is the dark ending, after Batman v Superman was so poorly received.
How did they get cold feet? Everyone dies! Jyn and the Rebels die. Jyns parents die. (on screen in two different scenes) The new Villain dies. Even the robot dies! LOL
Another continuity error. Vader's epic balls to the walls battle at the end of the film. He personally took out the Blockade Rebels guards. (half of them I anyway, some escaped)
But in the beginning of A New Hope he takes a back seat and lets the Stormtroopers who can't shoot straight take over the ship and boards when the battle is at hand. Why didn't he lead the charge the second time around? He's clearly better than 50 Stormtroopers combined. I know the reason, because they needed some Vader fan service in Rogue One.
Another continuity error. Vader's epic balls to the walls battle at the end of the film. He personally took out the Blockade Rebels guards. (half of them I anyway, some escaped)
But in the beginning of A New Hope he takes a back seat and lets the Stormtroopers who can't shoot straight take over the ship and boards when the battle is at hand. Why didn't he lead the charge the second time around? He's clearly better than 50 Stormtroopers combined. I know the reason, because they needed some Vader fan service in Rogue One.
That's not a continuity error, that's just something you don't like
Vader obviously has COPD, so the Rogue One fight tired his ass out.
Another continuity error. Vader's epic balls to the walls battle at the end of the film. He personally took out the Blockade Rebels guards. (half of them I anyway, some escaped)
But in the beginning of A New Hope he takes a back seat and lets the Stormtroopers who can't shoot straight take over the ship and boards when the battle is at hand. Why didn't he lead the charge the second time around? He's clearly better than 50 Stormtroopers combined. I know the reason, because they needed some Vader fan service in Rogue One.
That's not a continuity error, that's just something you don't like
Vader obviously has COPD, so the Rogue One fight tired his ass out.
The only thing that stood out to me was when they were fighting the giant walkers towards the end of the movie the rebel ships just shot them down where in I think Episode 5 they had to use the strings to wrap around the feet to knock them down.
I've never understood the appeal of the AT-AT as a transport or assault machine when you have stuff that can fly and hover and carry troops and fire laser bolts. They should have never been in the movie. That's the one piece of "fan service" that should have been excluded. Not to mention those things wouldn't be able to walk on damp beaches.
I found it interesting that Vader went wild with his light saber towards the end (cool scene, BTW), but was fairly timid at the start of ANH when boarding the Blockade Runner.
I found it interesting that Vader went wild with his light saber towards the end (cool scene, BTW), but was fairly timid at the start of ANH when boarding the Blockade Runner.
The only thing that stood out to me was when they were fighting the giant walkers towards the end of the movie the rebel ships just shot them down where in I think Episode 5 they had to use the strings to wrap around the feet to knock them down.
Not only that but they made a point to say in Empire the AT-AT's had reinforced armor and laser attacks had no effect on them.
I've never understood the appeal of the AT-AT as a transport or assault machine when you have stuff that can fly and hover and carry troops and fire laser bolts. They should have never been in the movie. That's the one piece of "fan service" that should have been excluded. Not to mention those things wouldn't be able to walk on damp beaches.
"He's as clumsy as he is stupid." I'm sure Vader took care of that General too.
The only thing that stood out to me was when they were fighting the giant walkers towards the end of the movie the rebel ships just shot them down where in I think Episode 5 they had to use the strings to wrap around the feet to knock them down.
Not only that but they made a point to say in Empire the AT-AT's had reinforced armor and laser attacks had no effect on them.
Technically, the walkers that the Rebels fight in Rogue One are not the same walkers the Rebels fight in the Empire Strikes Back. In Rogue One, the walkers are AT-ACTs (this is referenced everywhere from the soundtrack to the various merchandise, visual guides, etc.) and in Empire, the walkers are AT-ATs. It is certainly possible that the AT-ACTs are less armored than the AT-ATs. Also, in Rogue One, it was the X-Wings and U-Wings that took down the AT-ACTs. I would expect the Rebel's main armed star fighter to be better armed than its speeders. Plus, Empire takes place three years after Rogue One, whose to say the Empire didn't beef up the armor on its walkers?
I've never understood the appeal of the AT-AT as a transport or assault machine when you have stuff that can fly and hover and carry troops and fire laser bolts. They should have never been in the movie. That's the one piece of "fan service" that should have been excluded. Not to mention those things wouldn't be able to walk on damp beaches.
"He's as clumsy as he is stupid." I'm sure Vader took care of that General too.
LOL! My only guess is that whichever company manufactures the walkers has a powerful lobby within the Empire!
I saw the film again on Saturday and was waiting for the C3PO and R2D2 cameo. It does indeed occur as some fighters are departing for Scariff and not when they take off for Eadu. It just goes to how how less accurate my memory has become. However, I agree with an earlier poster that their dialogue seems to suggest that they are going to Scariff too as 3PO complains that no-one told them they were going there.
Some of the timing of the cameo events are quite tight but from a timeline perspective I think they're all viable.
I don't know from continuity errors. Star Wars already has plenty of examples of characters, um, dissembling and phrasing things from "certain points of view" so I'm willing to give it leeway there.
I rather enjoyed the movie as a glossy entertainment, but it really doesn't bear much scrutiny. Remember that stupid BBT discussion about where Raiders of the Lost Ark would have been any different without Indiana Jones? Same here: the central character Jyn Erso was irrelevant to the plot. Saw Gerrera was wasted and then just died for no reason. Mads Mikkelsen, pretty much the same deal. All of the character died, wowdarkblah, but most of them died stupid. Why not have them survive the mission against all odds and then get mowed down by Vader at the end instead of/in addition to nameless troops?
Also: why did it seem to take no time at all to get from one planet to another? And why if they can communicate instantaneously between planetary systems were they futzing about with a fucking hard copy of the plans? Once they uploaded that shit past the planetary shield why couldn't ships just transmit that data instantly and everywhere instead of running around with a small bit of hardware?
As for the original post, ANH doesn't take place "5 minutes" after this one. We have no idea precisely how much time passed between the corvette jumping into hyperspace and Vader finally tracking it down again.
Anyway. I enjoyed the movie, but it is rather clumsy and could have been much better with some tweaks to actually give the characters some arcs and to eliminate some of the nonsense.
Everything I've seen on the internet regarding this effort has been flaky - dialog in particular. I will wait till later, if at all. There's a clip on YouTube of Leia taking hold of that DS hardcopy for Artoo insertion. So flaky they might as well have made the entire movie a commercial for the crumbliest, flakiest, chocolate at that point. I also wonder if the character CGI was deliberately crafted as it is so as to kill its potential rise, outright at this time. The Tarkin clip I saw was the "fire when ready" bit. I didn't buy it.
I thought the character CGI was surprisingly tacky looking and instantly pulled me out from the film. Perhaps if they'd used fewer close ups it might have been less noticable. I hope they don't try to insert Leia into Episode 9 digitally.
As for the original post, ANH doesn't take place "5 minutes" after this one. We have no idea precisely how much time passed between the corvette jumping into hyperspace and Vader finally tracking it down again.
I wasn't being completely serious with that remark. But there's no reason why he couldn't have hoped onto his Stardestroyer and chased them down 15 minutes later. Your pretty much spot on. The whole story was pointless.
