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 Posted:   Dec 23, 2013 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2013 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

Saw 'The Time of the Doctor' tonight.


It was OK, but I was disappointed. It still felt too whimsical and cheap. The Doctor being on Trensalore for several hundred years, and an 'artificially aged' Matt Smith, felt like a tired mechanism.

I'm getting tired of the somewhat scatological and thin-story nature of the reboot series. Both the RTD and SM eras feel like they are trying and failing to do the one-off episode format at the same time as a form of story arc, but not paying enough attention to the evolution of story threads. I think there are many U.S. series today that have done and are doing a very good job of story arc series, even if that means fewer one-off episodes. I think Doctor Who needs to move into that format if it's to have any meaning or depth. I hope (albeit I think forlornly) that the Capaldi era will actually live up to the 'promise' referred to in the 50th anniversary episode - time to grow up. For me that means to start telling stories where I actually care about the characters.

 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2013 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2013 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2013 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

Review.

Spoilers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12/25/doctor-who-review-matt-smith_n_4501917.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&ir=UK

 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2013 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

Thought it was excruciatingly bad. After the highs of the 50th anniversary episode, this episode plumbed new depths of dreadfulness.

The writing was just so bad!!!

 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2013 - 6:27 PM   
 By:   dave norris   (Member)

Thought it was excruciatingly bad. After the highs of the 50th anniversary episode, this episode plumbed new depths of dreadfulness.

The writing was just so bad!!!


I agree, it was complete twaddle.

 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2013 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

Thought it was excruciatingly bad. After the highs of the 50th anniversary episode, this episode plumbed new depths of dreadfulness.

The writing was just so bad!!!


I agree, it was complete twaddle.


Good grief, what a load of cobblers. Glad that's over.

 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2013 - 8:53 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Well I don't know if it was all that bad. Though as usual I have a hard time following the plot. But it had some stand out performance by Matt and Jenna. The problem was it was 30 minutes of ideas wrapped up into a 90 minute program. (Comes with commercials in the US) Regardless of it's short comings it gave me the ending I wanted to see.

Spoiler:
As someone who adored Amy Pond, Doctor Who couldn't have given me a bigger Christmas present. It was so awesome seeing the two together one last time. They essentially entered and exited the series together.

 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 5:04 AM   
 By:   Storyteller   (Member)

Wow! Just wow! That was so bad, I just do not know what to say.

Unrelatable characters. A mess of a storyline (if you want to even call it that). And one majorly lame regeneration.

Not the way I wanted to end my Christmas day.

1/10

 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

Deleted scene.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 5:34 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

Wow.

Can't understand all the haters. Each to their own I guess.

I thought it was a great send off for Matt. And seeing Amy again was just brilliant.

I'm giving it a 10/10

 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 5:37 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

Spoiler:
As someone who adored Amy Pond, Doctor Who couldn't have given me a bigger Christmas present. It was so awesome seeing the two together one last time. They essentially entered and exited the series together.


For me, it just added to the disappointment. I knew this was coming. I'm sure it kept the squee fans happy.

 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I felt like it was a little too busy, but all right. I liked the Silence stuff, all of the stuff with the Doctor and Clara, and the Tranzalore/aging Doctor stuff. I could have done without all of the villain cameos (Weeping Angels, Cybermen, etc). Unlike the 50th special, I feel like a new viewer who decided to watch this would have been completely confused the whole way through - too much in the way of callbacks without enough clarity in the story. All in all it didn't reach the highs of the special last month, or Tennant's departure episode, but was a good enough episode.

I also still don't buy that the Doctor had used up all his regenerations. Another idea crammed into the episode that was packed too full to begin with, and which didn't need to be there until the end of the next doctor's era. It felt like Moffit had an idea for how to give more regenerations to the doctor, and wanted to do it while the War Doctor and Gillifrey were fresh on people's minds from the 50th special, so he found a moment during Tennant's run and called it a regeneration.

The cameo was nice although didn't really need to be there. I know that this special had the dual purpose of wrapping up the eleventh doctor, but as a Christmas special I much prefer the self-contained stories of the past few years - A Christmas Carol, The Doctor/Widow/Wardrobe, and The Snowmen.

 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


For me, it just added to the disappointment. I knew this was coming. I'm sure it kept the squee fans happy.


I squeed! big grin Seriously, it was the only pay off for me. Otherwise the story went no where.
@ mstrox - Your totally correct. A casual fan (and some not so casual fans) are gonna be totally lost watching this episode.

 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Another idea crammed into the episode that was packed too full to begin with, and which didn't need to be there until the end of the next doctor's era.


It takes some getting used to the format for some people I think. I have the feeling that some of the writers are trying to experiment in a whole new WAY to write screenplays, a sort of multi-dimensional one. Just as he travels in many dimensions, so they're trying to fill the episodes with a kind of fast edit that means you actually miss a lot until you think about it later. It requires effort, you're not just the recipient. That's not the traditional Hollywood way. You actually really need to see an episode more than once to get the extra angles. There's something new about that, like Joyce was for traditional narratives in literature.

There's always the big 'redeemer' myth where he goes back somehow and redoes everything. I think the linking of all the baddies past to the rift in the universe and the 'terrors' probably does have a point, namely that evil needs organised participants too.

A Who episode nowadays is like a multi-faceted thing you can plug more and more stuff into, but although it has a timeline, it somehow manages to work tangentially. People brought up on trad narrative TV would be lost, I agree, mainly because of the fast edits and interrelationships. It's clever though. 'Star Trek' talks about extra dimensions, this show actuall tries to DO them. You can feel the risk-taking. That keeps it fresh.

 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   dave norris   (Member)

I personally think these long drawn out goodbye's are awful. I'd have been more impressed if Capaldi had just walked out of the fire after that final battle without the other 20 minutes of twaddle that followed.

 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I personally think these long drawn out goodbye's are awful. I'd have been more impressed if Capaldi had just walked out of the fire after that final battle without the other 20 minutes of twaddle that followed.

That is what I expected. Though I thought Matt Smith's goodbye was more uplifting than sad which was a change. Though his speech. What the hell was he trying to say? I think he did an amazing acting job making those lines sound important, though it seemed like a muddling mess.

Reminded me of this. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   tarasis   (Member)

Not seen it yet but I know a few who liked it and one who didn't.

 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

I'm....really....still making up my mind about it all...bits I loved, bits I hated with a vengeance...all in all I am slowly coming to the conclusion that (massive spoilers):

It was good send-off for Matt Smith's Doctor, but as an end of an era that had actually grown quite tired it just fitted in...nothing spectacular, nothing awful, just...ok. The "Blink and you miss it" actual regeneration pissed me off no end, but the lead up to it - from the moment the Doc receives the new life cycle - I thought was superbly done...although I suspect we haven't seen the end of that regeneration thing quite yet......strongly suspect there is more to it....Capaldi's moment I actually loved...the rest of the episode leading up to all of this was just...fine...

 
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