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 Posted:   Jan 18, 2013 - 7:02 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

I did a nice thing taking time to change my threads, 24 hours later i see big caps all around my small caps.Am i the only one listening to the vets here?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2013 - 7:04 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

15 of the 50 still have big caps i believe.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2013 - 5:37 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

I really wish people wouldnt use semi colons when posting. Frankly it renders even the most cogent or well written post totally unreadable and I seriously consider deleting my account when I read these posts. If only people would use colons I'd be happy and it would save my sanity.

Obviously; I'm being sarcastic; This has surely got to be; THE MOST POINTLESS THREAD;

EVER.


:

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2013 - 7:10 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

smile [ It lets me know that whatever it is has to be incredibly stupid, so I can skip it without wasting my time. ]

Le - meet Mick. wink

Youse two are guaranteed to make us automatically grin at your both pistols PLUS the dang derringer bashfulness 'bout beating 'round the bush on how you really feel. big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2013 - 8:41 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Obviously; I'm being sarcastic; This has surely got to be; THE MOST POINTLESS THREAD;

EVER.


:


It's not even close.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2014 - 5:11 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I see dan the man's back at it again.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2014 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Whats wrong with using bold or italics? All caps is SHOUTING!!!!!!!!!

Edit:

A timid man never got a nice lady.

Best DTM line ever! big grin

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2014 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Please....

All-capitals in thread titles are helpful and useful because they denote when someone is indicating a film title, like when Dragon53 talks about new releases.

It also indicates when someone is writing with a emphasis or emotion (like when C Kinsinger titles a thread "CELEBRITIES you sat near?", or I titled one "Who the heck ARE these people?")

When you use "all-caps, all the time," the message board becomes a tiresome place to look over, forcing me to sort out who is exercising generally-accepted good form, and who doesn't care to do this for his/her fellow board readers.

Thanks.


I agree -- and I DON'T agree with Mr. Pehlps above, who wrote:

This has surely got to be; THE MOST POINTLESS THREAD;

EVER.

It's not even close.


I completely see the logic of it.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2014 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

I'm getting really bothered by the lack of the use of the ellipsis.

It's very simple.... Three dots. If you end a thought with three dots, you add a period to complete that thought (my rules, dontchaknow).

Otherwise...well...you figure it out!

Of course, they work best when you are partially quoting someone. For instance, in my second sentence above, I wrote "...you add a period to complete..." a thought. See how functional it can be?

Ah, me!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2014 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Hey, Ron. I’m guilty of the incorrect use of an ellipsis. I guess I imagine that a thought is still extended, which makes no sense at all. Duh.

My gripe is the LACK of the use of the ENTER key to denote a new paragraph. It is very easy to hit it twice in order to start a new paragraph with new or additional information. I have reached to point where if I see one long paragraph that contains various rambling thoughts, I will only read the first few sentences and quit. I should not have to expend energy to decipher various thoughts written in English.

Seriously, how hard is it to hit the ENTER key two times? I rest my case…. smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2014 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


It's very simple.... Three dots. If you end a thought with three dots, you add a period to complete that thought (my rules, dontchaknow).


I never knew that! Then again my crammer suxs.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2014 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)


Seriously, how hard is it to hit the ENTER key two times? I rest my case…. smile


Ditto.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2014 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thirded.

I've read my fair share of text blocks in my time, and sentences that run for half a page (Bourdieu's DISTINCTION comes to mind). Double 'enter' makes everything that much more appealing and tempting to read.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2014 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

We are in sync, David and Thor.

Another punctuation mark that really helps with providing clarity in a message is the period.
I hate run-on sentences. When I see three, four, five or more lines of typed script that have nothing but commas placed randomly, I lose interest once again and stop reading. A period at the end of each sentence certainly helps convey a clearer message.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2014 - 3:54 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

joan hue: Re your: My gripe is the LACK of the use of the ENTER key to denote a new paragraph. It is very easy to hit it twice in order to start a new paragraph with new or additional information. I have reached to point where if I see one long paragraph that contains various rambling thoughts, I will only read the first few sentences and quit. I should not have to expend energy to decipher various thoughts written in English.

But joan, there are plenty of times when a mixture of simple and more complex sentences seem to work more effectively than just a succession of simple sentences, which can become boringly static. I've long said that I write for the ear as much as the eye and most of the time do so without even thinking about it. I've quoted this letter before, but it's fairly short and seems to make the point that a combination of simple and more complex sentences are usually the most effective writing:


BROWN PORTRAIT

Artist Don Bachardy's bold painting of former Gov. Jerry Brown seems to be the center of a maelstrom of controversy. Like all of Bachardy's paintings, it simply cannot be truly appreciated when seen in drab newspaper grays. It is awash and alive with color. Anyone who saw Bachardy's remarkable show last fall in Barnsdall Park will realize why the newspaper reproduction doesn't do it justice.

Many people who do not understand any art that goes beyond attempts at exact reproduction feel that expressionistic artists paint that way because they don't have the skills to do otherwise. That is an unfortunate misconception, especially in Bachardy's case, because those familiar with his detailed pencil drawings know the artist to be an astute craftsman. While his pencil drawings capture the physical person, his bold paintings often capture the spirit and the very essence of the individual. Anyone who has sat for him, as I have on more than one occasion, knows that he can be exact and honest to the point of offense. Often his subject will wince in pain -- and recognition!

Art certainly can mirror life, but it must not be a mirror to be art, must not be a mirror to mirror.


Ronald D. Hardcastle
Los Angeles



Were I to re-write that letter today, more than 30 years later, and keep to the bare bones of the original, it would go something like this:

Artist Don Bachardy's bold painting of former Gov. Jerry Brown seems to be the center of a maelstrom of controversy, but, like so many of Bachardy's paintings it simply cannot be truly appreciated when seen in drab newspaper grays. Indeed, it is awash with color and anyone who saw Bachardy's remarkable show last fall in Barnsdall Park will realize why the newspaper reproduction doesn't do it justice.

Many people who don't understand any art that goes beyond exact reproduction feel that expressionistic artists paint that way because they don't have the skills to do otherwise. That is an unfortunate misconception, especially in Bachardy's case, because those of us familiar with his detailed pencil drawings know the artist to be an astute craftsman. While his pencil drawings capture the physical person, his bold paintings often capture the spirit and very essence of the individual. Anyone who has sat for him, as I have done on a number of occasions, know that he can be exact and honest to the point of offense. Often his subject will wince in pain -- and recognition!

Art certainly can mirror life, but it must not be a mirror to be art, must not be a mirror to mirror.


Obviously I wrote that letter (and it's original) more for the ear than the eye. I just hate the thought of people slapping down various sizes of sentences irrespective of the purpose for the writing. I personally feel that writing has a very important purpose and have gravitated towards others here whom I feel seem to agree.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2014 - 5:38 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Just don't forget to go easy on the all-caps.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2014 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Hey Ron, I am very confused about your message and how it relates to the quotation of mine that you quoted.

My quotation said nothing about the use of simple or complex sentences. Instead, it refers to the use of paragraphs and the importance of using paragraphs for certain topics or the extension of a topic. I totally AGREE with your comments about simple and complex sentences. Totally! Good writers employ varying sentences lengths for the ears and eyes.

Moreover, both of your letters exemplify my point of view on the merits of paragraphs. Both of your letters are very good and utilize paragraphs where needed; moreover, you employ varying sentences lengths, especially in your second letter. Therefore, we are in agreement.

P.S. I would add to simple and complex sentences the use of the compound sentence now and then.

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

joan:

(Interjection: I missed the point about sentences! Sorry.) I was responding to your lines "I have reached to point where if I see one long paragraph that contains various rambling thoughts, I will only read the first few sentences and quit. I should not have to expend energy to decipher various thoughts written in English." And I merely wanted to make the point that a block of language containing various sentences might not be something you would want to ignore out of hand. And then I got carried away, quoting a favorite letter I wrote over 25 years ago and then playfully slightly rewriting it, strictly indulging myself, hoping that you might have enjoyed the music of the language, especially as "heard" in the final line. (And, to my pleasure, you DID!!!)

I'm normally a fan of yours, like your posts, and wanted to share a part of something important to me with you.

Regards.

And please note, I dashed off the above BEFORE reading your kind words to me, and then had to go back and add things at the beginning and end to touch upon your kind words. Next time I'll try to read first and respond later!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 11:44 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Gotcha, Ron. Thanks.

I too love the musicality of language. Even though it focuses mostly on poetry, I always loved the book Sound And Sense by Laurence Perrine because it illustrates how the sounds of words contribute richness and meaning.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2014 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Why is my post still sitting at the bottom? Will try again.

 
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