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 Posted:   Mar 31, 2014 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

If you read the post over at Intrada the contents of this CD were what would have been on Vol 4 of the Polydor series. I'll be buying this soon.





My reading of it is that the Valley of the Kings Overture is the only piece that was actually prepared for a projected 4th volume of the Polydor series.
Anyway, despite it's short length, I'll be getting it too.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2014 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

there is no dark side of the man in half moon street...as a matter of fact, he's all dark.

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2014 - 3:08 AM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

Why do not use the original stereo tapes of the recording sessions for a legit YSH release?
It would have been GREAT, with great sound, and with the original movie mix!...
I can't understand the need to use the multi-track master...
The multi-track master should me used ONLY if the original stereo mix has been lost or damaged.
YSH original stereo master is NOT lost (or damaged)! The original stereo master tape has always been owned by the author and by Intrada staff.

SO WHAT?.... WHY spend time and money for a new mix? No matter if it will be better than the original one, because it will be NOT the original one!
We are collectors of original film scores, aren't we?....

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2014 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

The childish quality of certain film score fans never ceases to annoy me. Get over it already.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2014 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)

The childish quality of certain film score fans never ceases to annoy me. Get over it already.

No kidding. Intrada probably wouldn't want his business anyway, given his history of irrational bitching. There was Condorman, Conan, and now this. There are probably others.

Thank goodness he's not producing these albums with his peculiar preferences.

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2014 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)



No kidding. Intrada probably wouldn't want his business anyway, given his history of irrational bitching. There was Condorman, Conan, and now this. There are probably others.



I recall the same exact complaint for The Black Cauldron, I don't get it.

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2014 - 5:14 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

SO WHAT?.... WHY spend time and money for a new mix? No matter if it will be better than the original one, because it will be NOT the original one!

As Bear McCreary posted about the Blu-ray isolated audio for Caprica:

"They are bastardized mixes taken directly off the music stem from the final mix of the show. Those tracks have been edited, distorted, altered with volume rides, etc. They are intended purely for being put behind dialog and sound fx. I would never recommend that anyone listen to them. It breaks my heart that the French BluRay put this material out there, especially because I work so hard at creating a truly meaningful album experience for my fans."

That's why. You spend the time and money for new mixes to create the best presentation of the music for listening on its own, away from the film.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

I'm not talking about a "stems source", these are mixed tapes for the movie made to be mixed with voices and sfx.

I'm talking about the original recording sessions of YSH, the original STEREO master tape for the music market; this master EXISTS, is perfect for listening, great audio quality.
For every score there are 2 master archives: one for the record, another one for the mixing with dialogue and sfx in the movie (stems).
We are talking about the firs one, the one made to be printed on vinyl / cd / music tapes / etc.
What the matter whit the film stems?... Are You kidding me?

If You want to make an audio cd You could:
1 - Use original 1/4 inch. stereo master tapes: VERY GOOD; every label with a working brain does use this source to make an album;
2 - Use original 2 inch. multitrack master tapes: VERY BAD if the STEREO MASTER does still exist, because a new mix means new sound balance, with different volumes and mastering!

Conan the Barbarian and The Black Cauldron, for example, sound COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from the original master (and they also sound WORSE: completely wrong volume balances, they are quite a mess, and I have payed for that mess...). THAT's the problem!
Do You have the original stereo tapes? Nice, LET USE THEM!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)

I completely understand what you're demanding.

However, when done by people with vast musical knowledge such as those working for the labels (who sometimes have possession of written instructions from the composers themselves), I'll take a pristine sounding mix from the original 2" multi-tracks any day over a much lower fidelity 1/4" stereo source. I seriously question those who complain about the sound of these mixes. For instance, I've seen complaints about lack of low frequency response when there is plenty on my hi-fi system. It makes me wonder if these people are using crappy computer speakers and prefer bloated bass.

I'll also make a point that you will only be disappointed more and more in the future, as the methods will not change. They certainly won't change because of some people's childlike tantrums.

As an adult, you eventually just have to accept some of the things you dislike and move on.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

You're right, I can do one thing only when these facts appen: do not buy.
I'm very sad because this is my Grail.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   bagby   (Member)

Yeah, if there's anybody who shouldn't know what YSH should sound like, it's the composer who helped with the mixing of the 24-track recording.

Sheesh.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Have you even heard the new mix? I followed your reasoning when you spoke of the original score as opposed to re-recording, but this tantrum over a new mix of YSH that's supposedly inferior from the onset is a bit silly.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2014 - 12:45 AM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

I have heared the short mp3 on the Intrada official page. This new release sound very good (crispy and detailed) BUT the volumes of almost the tracks are wrong, so the listening experience is COMPLETELY different from the original film version.
The author after 30 years has changed his music sensibility, and he probably gave indications based on its sensitivity of nowadays, and not the one he have had 30 years ago.
Maybe it is useless to complain, so I will NOT buy it. What a pity, what a pity!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2014 - 1:37 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Maybe it is useless to complain, so I will NOT buy it. What a pity, what a pity!

No, you should say, "Alas! Alas!", or, alternatively "Alas and Alack!" And then not buy.

In any case that's what I did when I discovered the Varese "Spartacus" score was in mono. Many bitter tears were shed, but no way was I going to pay $110 + shipping for mono recordings, and nor have I since. Sometimes you just have to Bite The Bullet (obscure pun intended).

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2014 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Maybe it is useless to complain, so I will NOT buy it. What a pity, what a pity!

Nothing wrong with complaining but don't you think you've taken it as far as you can on this subject? No one cares.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2014 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

If you read the post over at Intrada the contents of this CD were what would have been on Vol 4 of the Polydor series. I'll be buying this soon.

My reading of it is that the Valley of the Kings Overture is the only piece that was actually prepared for a projected 4th volume of the Polydor series.
Anyway, despite it's short length, I'll be getting it too.



Basil, I believe Gary was referring to this quote, which suggests that both VALLEY and SAHARA were prepared for Polydor 4 "way back when":

I learned about the Chandos download a few weeks ago. The music world can certainly use a couple of versions. But we had put our program together over two years ago, and we really locked everything down when Dan Robbins pulled the manuscripts together for the Valley Of The Kings piece that was arranged for the fourth Polydor record that never happened. The suite from Sahara was also prepared way back when. So we decided to record those and assemble some additional rare material like Jacare and a longer suite from Strange Love Of Martha Ivers to balance things out. Then we wanted to anchor the album with a generous look at something really rare, which turned out to be the Man In Half Moon Street, and still keep the album running around 40-45 minutes or so, which is what the three previous Polydor albums did. We really wanted to make this whole disc feel like a continuation of that wonderful series.
--Doug

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2014 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

For what it's worth, I just listened to all the samples for YSH and there are some subtle differences in the new remastering. The overall sound quality is improved, but it sounds like they adjusted the level "spotlights" on certain beats or parts of the orchestra. Basically, the punch is a little different in what I heard. More equalized.

I'm not arguing for or against anything here, just pointing out an observation. I'm planning to get the new release because I want to hear the new edits and the alternates. Maybe the CD itself will bear out something different than the compressed samples.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2014 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

It's not only a new remastering, it's a whole new mixing.
All the score sounds dramatically different from the original one.
Worst or better, no matter; THIS IS NOT THE ORIGINAL ONE...
This is what always happens if the source is a multi-track tape instead of the stereo mixed 1/4" masters.

Please listen to "Waxing Elisabeth", and compare it to the original one as heared in the movie (and in the previous Intrada promo release, or else in the recording session b**t)...
Completely different.
Better sound quality, yes, but where's the original Young Sherlock Holmes?...

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2014 - 3:55 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Well, one more for the ignore list. Life is too short to listen to crazy.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2014 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I mean, he might be crazy, but he's not wrong, LeHah.

 
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