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 Posted:   Sep 27, 2015 - 10:13 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

If I remember correctly, the Mynock cave material wasn't prepared for elsewhere on the set because they were expecting to get the album masters from PolyGram, which never showed up.


Yes, I think you're right. The document doesn't specifically say so, but it is strongly implied.
It would make sense that it would have been made available on the mythical 5th disc later on.
Damn, I wish we could have that 5th disc.

 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 1:24 AM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)


The Arista Box set version of RETURN OF THE JEDI (Disc 3) comes close to what could have been a 2LP configuration of that music. But I suppose Sony wanted to focus on existing LP masters. Didnt want to bother themselves with a headache of redoing JEDI or the remaining movies and prequels .


Lets not forget that horrible dropout inherent at the beginning of the cue 'The Return Of The Jedi' from the Arista box. How did that one slip through?

 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 1:51 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

If I remember correctly, the Mynock cave material wasn't prepared for elsewhere on the set because they were expecting to get the album masters from PolyGram, which never showed up.


Yes, I think you're right. The document doesn't specifically say so, but it is strongly implied.
It would make sense that it would have been made available on the mythical 5th disc later on.
Damn, I wish we could have that 5th disc.


can somebody put that proposed Disc 5 track list. I remember seeing it some place but cant just remember where. Also was the master of Disc 5 already assembled when they pulled the plug on it?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 1:52 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

I keep hoping that someday, we'll finally get the *film* version of the opening music "The Ice Planet Hoth" within the opening 8:00 of music from TESB on disc, rather than the obnoxious, weird, bombastic version we've always had on our "EMPIRE" soundtracks. The one in the movie is haunting and gorgeous, and fits the action it accompanies perfectly.

I thought the more "haunting and gorgeous" version was included on TESB special edition soundtrack - although as the start of a different cue..

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 2:25 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I keep hoping that someday, we'll finally get the *film* version of the opening music "The Ice Planet Hoth" within the opening 8:00 of music from TESB on disc, rather than the obnoxious, weird, bombastic version we've always had on our "EMPIRE" soundtracks. The one in the movie is haunting and gorgeous, and fits the action it accompanies perfectly.

I thought the more "haunting and gorgeous" version was included on TESB special edition soundtrack - although as the start of a different cue..



Yes, it is --- Disc One, Track 4. Having it there is better than nothing, but I want to have it as it is in the film; as part of the "Main Title / The Ice Planet Hoth", like I'm listening to the score as heard in the film. The frenetic version we've always had at the beginning of the Empire soundtrack just sounds bizarre and out of place to me. I guess a lot of people seem to like it though....

 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 2:57 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I keep hoping that someday, we'll finally get the *film* version of the opening music "The Ice Planet Hoth" within the opening 8:00 of music from TESB on disc, rather than the obnoxious, weird, bombastic version we've always had on our "EMPIRE" soundtracks. The one in the movie is haunting and gorgeous, and fits the action it accompanies perfectly.
I thought the more "haunting and gorgeous" version was included on TESB special edition soundtrack - although as the start of a different cue..


Yes, it is --- Disc One, Track 4. Having it there is better than nothing, but I want to have it as it is in the film; as part of the "Main Title / The Ice Planet Hoth", like I'm listening to the score as heard in the film. The frenetic version we've always had at the beginning of the Empire soundtrack just sounds bizarre and out of place to me. I guess a lot of people seem to like it though....



Could the bits be stitched together in their proper movie form with an audio editor program?
(I'm not as closely familiar with these specific pieces as some of you chaps are, but I'm a sorcerer with Audacity.)

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 3:03 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

I keep hoping that someday, we'll finally get the *film* version of the opening music "The Ice Planet Hoth" within the opening 8:00 of music from TESB on disc, rather than the obnoxious, weird, bombastic version we've always had on our "EMPIRE" soundtracks. The one in the movie is haunting and gorgeous, and fits the action it accompanies perfectly.

I thought the more "haunting and gorgeous" version was included on TESB special edition soundtrack - although as the start of a different cue..



Yes, it is --- Disc One, Track 4. Having it there is better than nothing, but I want to have it as it is in the film; as part of the "Main Title / The Ice Planet Hoth", like I'm listening to the score as heard in the film. The frenetic version we've always had at the beginning of the Empire soundtrack just sounds bizarre and out of place to me. I guess a lot of people seem to like it though....


Ahh...as I was writing I suspected that was what you meant. Was too lazy to clarify.

I understand what you mean. Getting the actual "film" version.

Not sure if I prefer the version we have...just used to hearing it that way and hearing the actual version would seem...odd..now.

I remember wanting the film version of The Helicopter Rescue from Superman. Was so excited when the full score was released only to realise that the album version had more music. And was so different to what I was used to hearing in the film. It was jarring.

However, after listening to the album version approximately 1,000,000 times, now the edited film version comes across as jarring when I hear it in the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 3:08 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Could the bits be stitched together in their proper movie form with an audio editor program?
(I'm not as closely familiar with these specific pieces as some of you chaps are, but I'm a sorcerer with Audacity.)


I'm sure they could. Unfortunately, I'm a technical idiot when it comes to all the fancy sound stuff for computers.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 3:12 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Rick15, it's my own fault --- from having seen the 'Star Wars' movies more times than a healthy human being should.

I'll just have to live with a few seconds of music that isn't identical to the movie. I'm sure I'll survive. smile


 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   John-73   (Member)

I'm really hoping they resist the urge to dig in with pro-tools and go mad with EQ-ing, hiss reduction, dynamic range compression and so on. Would be a dream to get a more or less flat transfer of the original album masters for this set. The work was already done by Tomlinson, Williams et al. A straight transfer of their work would be fantastic, whether for the High-Res download, CD release or Vinyl (accepting the necessary RIAA process of course!).

Here's hoping these are done right.

I'd heard the Empire album masters were literally crumbling/shedding around the time the Anthology set was done, so not sure how they've been used for this release, unless they've recreated that LP programming from scratch by going back to the multi-tracks and recreating it from scratch?

 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Could the bits be stitched together in their proper movie form with an audio editor program?
(I'm not as closely familiar with these specific pieces as some of you chaps are, but I'm a sorcerer with Audacity.)


I'm sure they could. Unfortunately, I'm a technical idiot when it comes to all the fancy sound stuff for computers.



I think I'm going to give it a shot, but first I have to get better acquainted with the pieces to a greater detail--starting with REALLY scrutinizing those first 8 minutes of the actual film version.

Do I understand correctly that I should be using the 1997 CD to recreate the edits?

 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Could the bits be stitched together in their proper movie form with an audio editor program?
(I'm not as closely familiar with these specific pieces as some of you chaps are, but I'm a sorcerer with Audacity.)


I'm sure they could. Unfortunately, I'm a technical idiot when it comes to all the fancy sound stuff for computers.



I think I'm going to give it a shot, but first I have to get better acquainted with the pieces to a greater detail--starting with REALLY scrutinizing those first 8 minutes of the actual film version.

Do I understand correctly that I should be using the 1997 CD to recreate the edits?


It's already been done if you can find it. Well, it doesn't have the film version of Han entering the rebel base (tracked from later in the film).

 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

It's already been done if you can find it. Well, it doesn't have the film version of Han entering the rebel base (tracked from later in the film).


Heh, that's a relief, actually. As the movie audio is loading into the program I'm listening to it and thinking "Oh crap, I don't know this part of the score anywhere NEAR as well as some of the experts here". Just your comment alone about later tracking proves that.
I might still give it a whirl eventually, if I can't find it anywhere else--just because I hate the idea of not having film versions available for completeness's sake.

 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 10:46 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

I find it curious that Sony is releasing 2 LP versions of 1,2,3,4 and 5 but only 1 LP for Jedi, couldn't they have asked Williams to create a new 2 LP sequence for Jedi to match those done for SW and Empire at the time of the original releases? It just seems odd to re-release the same old disappointing 1 album sequence done back in '83 when they could have used the opportunity to restore what should have been a 2 LP set all along. Heck, it even had a gatefold sleeve. Maybe Mr Williams had already done a 2 LP sequence that was ultimately not used? Anyone able to shed some light on that? I know it had something to do with vinyl not selling well at the time. My how things have changed.



Here is a Faux 2LP playlist that I came up with some time ago.
Each side plays out at roughly 20 mins.

Side 1
Main Title/Approaching The Death Star
Into The Trap
Luke And Leia
Parade Of The Ewoks
Han Solo Returns (At The Court Of Jabba The Hutt)

Side2
Fight In The Dungeon
The Death Of Yoda
The Emperor Arrives
The Return Of The Jedi

Side 3
The Forest Battle
Leia Breaks The News/Funeral Pyre For A Jedi (Rebel Briefing on the Original LP)
The Emperor Confronts Luke
Fight With The Tie Fighters

Side 4
Final Duel/Into The Death Star
The Emperor's Death
Darth Vader's Death
Through The Flames
Ewok Celebration/Finale

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2015 - 2:18 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

JTWfan77 and Steve H, I like the idea, but if they did that, someone would accuse Sony of "changing history".

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2015 - 6:04 AM   
 By:   John-73   (Member)

Funny how Sony refer to the download set as 'High Definition', yet if you click upon the link it takes you straight to the iTunes store page which only offer - If memory serves - 256Kbps AAC files. So not even 16/44.1 lossless. Referring to these as 'High Definition' is a blatent marketing scam! Here's hoping they also release proper HD audio releases too...

http://www.starwars.com/news/sony-classical-to-release-ultimate-editions-of-original-star-wars-soundtracks

On the plus side, from looking at the iTunes track listing they're definitely the original LP versions and not the 2-CD RCA versions for the original trilogy.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

Is Japan releasing the Star Wars OST versions on CD? Sony has elected to keep their CD versions as the 2CD 1997 editions.... The Japanese discs are priced ridiculously high, however...

Rick O.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2015 - 5:38 AM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

Here is a Faux 2LP playlist that I came up with some time ago.
Each side plays out at roughly 20 mins.

Side 1
Main Title/Approaching The Death Star
Into The Trap
Luke And Leia
Parade Of The Ewoks
Han Solo Returns (At The Court Of Jabba The Hutt)

Side2
Fight In The Dungeon
The Death Of Yoda
The Emperor Arrives
The Return Of The Jedi

Side 3
The Forest Battle
Leia Breaks The News/Funeral Pyre For A Jedi (Rebel Briefing on the Original LP)
The Emperor Confronts Luke
Fight With The Tie Fighters

Side 4
Final Duel/Into The Death Star
The Emperor's Death
Darth Vader's Death
Through The Flames
Ewok Celebration/Finale


Liking that sequence, will try it out as my playlist. Now where did I put my Arista Anthology box set? wink

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2015 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I like that sequence too, Steve H. Do you know if it all will fit on one 80-minute CD-R? By "roughly 20 minutes" do you mean slightly over, or slightly under?

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2015 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

All he did was take Disc 3 of the 1993 Anthology boxset and re-arrange the track order, so yes, of course it would (still) fit on one disc.

2 Main Title/Approaching the Death Star (05:18)
11 Into the Trap (02:36)
9 Luke and Leia (04:43)
8 Parade of the Ewoks (03:25)
3 Han Solo Returns (At the Court of Jabba the Hutt) (04:06)

4 Fight in the Dungeon (03:38)
7 The Death of Yoda (06:03)
6 The Emperor Arrives (02:05)
5 The Return of the Jedi (04:59)

13 The Forest Battle (04:01)
18 Leia Breaks the News/Funeral Pyre For a Jedi (02:19)
10 The Emperor Confronts Luke (03:26)
12 First Ewok Battle/Fight With the Fighters (07:18)

14 Final Duel/Into the Death Star (03:37)
15 The Emperor's Death (02:41)
16 Darth Vader's Death (02:31)
17 Through the Flames (01:36)
19 Ewok Celebration/Finale (07:58)

 
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