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 Posted:   Oct 11, 2018 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   captain X   (Member)

Bond is not Bond wthout Barry... period!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2018 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

A great quote about the Bond films came from a friend of mine about thirty years ago. I wish I could take credit for the quote. He said one day, in a rather offhand manner, that DAF was the first Roger Moore James Bond film. I thought he was tired and corrected him. Then he said again that DAF was the first Roger Moore film; it just didn't have Roger Moore in it. Instantly, it made sense.

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2018 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

A common observation but inaccurate.
Can you imagine Moore's 007 strangling a woman to death with her own bikini top?

Didn't think so.
Brm

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2018 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I approve of this entire discussion. I have nothing to add to those who have already so eloquently quantified the magical contribution Barry brought to the Bond series.

What he said.

Not to be redundant here, but has any other movie series matched the variety and uniqueness of Barry's Bond scores? I find it curious that Barry often gets criticism for being repetitive and predictable, and yet his Bond scores are WAY more varied than any other movie series scores in history (and even Barry himself got tired of Bond... but his scores never revealed that tiredness - unlike Connery's acting in 'Diamonds are Forever').

Alex


Sean looked bored in YOLT.
He was great in DAF!

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2018 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)


Not to be redundant here, but has any other movie series matched the variety and uniqueness of Barry's Bond scores? I find it curious that Barry often gets criticism for being repetitive and predictable, and yet his Bond scores are WAY more varied than any other movie series scores in history (and even Barry himself got tired of Bond... but his scores never revealed that tiredness - unlike Connery's acting in 'Diamonds are Forever').

Alex


Heartily agreed, Alex - Barry doesn't get enough credit for the way his scores kept up with the times, while maintaining creativity and innovation. Each score is its own unique creation, while maintaining continuity with those that went before. I think those who disparage the latter scores vs the early ones do those works and the composer a disservice.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

Sean looked bored in YOLT.
He was great in DAF!


He looked bored in both, but a bored Connery was a better Bond than the others, IMO.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

On DAF John Barry definitely did not seem bored.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

On DAF John Barry definitely did not seem bored.

He never did on any of the movies, not even in Octopussy or A View to a Kill (gotta love that 'Snow Job' bad-ass theme!!).

Alex

 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Sean looked bored in YOLT.
He was great in DAF!


He looked bored in both, but a bored Connery was a better Bond than the others, IMO.

Alex


If you look closely Sean was looking jowly and tired in the Vegas scenes. I suspect what you refer to is his overindulging in local hospitality. Not boredom.
Brm

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

If you look closely Sean was looking jowly and tired in the Vegas scenes. I suspect what you refer to is his overindulging in local hospitality. Not boredom.
Brm


Honestly, he looked like he simply didn't give a s**t about James Bond in the whole movie, which ended up adding to the silliness of the plot and script.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Most people consider it one of his best performances.
Oh well....

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 3:24 AM   
 By:   Dr Smith   (Member)

I approve of this entire discussion. I have nothing to add to those who have already so eloquently quantified the magical contribution Barry brought to the Bond series.

What he said.

Not to be redundant here, but has any other movie series matched the variety and uniqueness of Barry's Bond scores? I find it curious that Barry often gets criticism for being repetitive and predictable, and yet his Bond scores are WAY more varied than any other movie series scores in history (and even Barry himself got tired of Bond... but his scores never revealed that tiredness - unlike Connery's acting in 'Diamonds are Forever').

Alex


Since you mentioned Diamonds Are Forever, I believe it is one of Barry's greatest scores, especially in the expanded version. Set in Las Vegas, it lends itself to Barry's brassy style. I listen to it more than any other John Barry score.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

Most people consider it one of his best performances.
Oh well....


I'd like to see the source you're basing your claims on. Did you conduct a poll that let you conclude "most people" consider DAF one of Connery's best performances?

I didn't think so.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

"Sean Connery's final performance is one of his best".
- TV GUIDE

i could list more but not gonna do it Boy Alex.
smile
Brm

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 4:06 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Most people consider it one of his best performances.
Oh well....


I'd like to see the source you're basing your claims on. Did you conduct a poll that let you conclude "most people" consider DAF one of Connery's best performances?

I didn't think so.

Alex


This is a thread about the music .. not Sean Connery ... but I'll engage. It seems a shame to agree with Mr. Marshall since he often leaves acerbic, incomplete, incomprehensible (to me) posts ... whilst you show an enthusiam for John Barry's music which gladdens my heart. But ...

I'm afraid the general consensus is that SC involved himself far much more in his, then, final performance as 007 in Diamonds Are Forever (1971) to the extent that the film was hugely successful. Yes, he was older, a lot heavier and played the film much more for its comedic elements (hence, it is seen as the first of the Roger Moore films ... just without RM!) but compared with his previous portrayal in You Only Live Twice he was rejuvenated.

Maybe it's an age thing ... but back in 1971/72 when SC stepped back into the role the fans went bonkers! It hardly mattered that the film was weak, played mostly for laughs ... that was the intention after the serious, almost dour, OHMSS (1969).

Watch the film and see how SC is enjoying himself ... scene after scene. This is so different from his previous film where he did look bored.

As for sources, sorry, I don't keep a record but I have read a large number of publications (I've been a fan for 50 years and even the last two lousy films haven't killed my love for the franchise - not quite ...) and whilst most are unanimous in decrying the comedic turn ... and the weak storyline, etc. I can't recall any criticising SC for his performance.

As for his best ... no, I don't agree with that. Many will nominate Goldfinger (1964) but, for me, it's easily Thunderball for so many reasons ...

Mitch

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Such a shame....
(Btw I am a huge Barry fan. Four of my Top Forty scores are JB/007.

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2018 - 2:09 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Such a shame....
(Btw I am a huge Barry fan. Four of my Top Forty scores are JB/007.


Sorry: it is my comment which is acerbic ... I should have put a smile after it as I'd meant it to be jokey. In the cold light of morning it is out-of-place. Apologies!

Mitch

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2018 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

smile

Btw me and friends did go "bonkers"!!!!!!#

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2018 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

"Diamonds Are Forever [...] is usually rated as [Connery's] weakest 007 picture" - Jeremy Arnold, TCM.

"A moribund Connery and garish Las Vegas add to the sense of a series going to seed. [...] Connery’s downbeat performance anchors the film quite nicely. And downbeat is generous: in bed with Tiffany, he genuinely looks on the verge of falling asleep." - Max Williams, Den of Geek.

I could list many more, but I won't do it, Boy Bruce wink.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2018 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

You have way too much time on your hands.....

 
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