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 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   babbelballetje   (Member)

There are a lot of cd's I'm interested in, but, for example, there is no way I can afford $30 + $10 shipping for a cd like Obsession.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

...The modern generation refers to every track on every CD or Spotify or iTunes as a "song". I've seen youtube comments where the commenter is asking what "song" was used as background when the music is clearly a "tune" or orchestral piece.

Deja vu; the Boone's Farm Syndrome era i.e. the query, "What flavor?" when a teenager was informed wine would be served.

As to my earlier reply re a film music "priesthood," the term was close as was the time period but the context different. And the writer was Ty Burr of the New York Times. Here is the paragraph:

The commercial success alone of James Cameron's 'Titanic' would put its score in the pole position for an Oscar, but the music written by James Horner has become an unprecedented phenomenon in its own right. As of mid-February, Sony Classical's 'Titanic' score had been No. 1 on the Billboard pop charts for six weeks, holding that position in the face of a new Pearl Jam album, and selling nearly four million copies to date. It's far and away the biggest hit in the history of a tiny genre, in which the average original-score CD rarely breaks five figures in sales. And it's possible that 'Titanic's' appeal represents a watershed -- the moment in which the greater public sits up and appreciates music that to date has been the province of a priesthood of collector-fans.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/01/movies/film-when-will-oscar-really-know-the-score.html

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Tadlow   (Member)

There are a lot of cd's I'm interested in, but, for example, there is no way I can afford $30 + $10 shipping for a cd like Obsession.

Strange when Tadlow does shipping to anywhere in the world for £3....which is a lot less than the post office actually charges Tadlow....

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Tadlow   (Member)

There are a lot of cd's I'm interested in, but, for example, there is no way I can afford $30 + $10 shipping for a cd like Obsession.

Strange when Tadlow does shipping to anywhere in the world for £3....which is a lot less than the post office actually charges Tadlow....

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

There's billions of galaxies each with billions of life sustaining planetary systems. Surely an untapped revenue source?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 4:00 PM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

I've wondered if part of the problem is lack of promotion or limited scores that are not available in popular chain stores. For example I always knew about soundtracks because I could buy Titanic or Back to the Future in the music section at Wal-Mart. The bare bones soundtracks had the popular music artists you heard on the radio. It was about 7 years ago when I finally realized you can buy just James Horner's and Alan Silvestri's music in expanded form but only from certain companies. A lot of people still don't know the difference between score and soundtrack.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 5:00 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Well 98% of people I know think watching a film more than once is super-wierd, and actually purchasing said film on DVD or Blu-ray is virtually insane.

I rarely watch films over and over. I've watched only a few films more than once and even less more than twice. Whenever I suggest watching a movie a second time to my husband he looks at me like I'm crazy and says "but we already watched that!" I have a feeling from many of the completionists who notice anything missing from a release not only watch something two or three times but 10+

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

& what few collectors or fans there is some still want digital over the real thing weird that but that's technology isn't it.
Maybe limited edition scores should be lesser numbers. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 6:06 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

...A lot of people still don't know the difference between score and soundtrack.

Count me among them. And I have a room full of LPs and CDs.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 8:00 PM   
 By:   Smaug   (Member)

I have at times wondered about that too.

I was really shocked that many of the 2016 lists of passed away celbrities had not mention of Pierre Boulez or Sir Neville Marriner or Nikolaus Harnoncourt... these are HUGE names in the "classical music world". But the mainstream public is more interested to what parties Kim and Kanye go.


You think film music is small? Classical music is worse. Marriner's top recording is (obviously) for Amadeus. If you look at the top streams for Boulez's music it's in the thousands, not even the tens of thousands. All things being equal, that puts him on the level of a minor film composer.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 11:39 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

"Strange when Tadlow does shipping to anywhere in the world for £3....which is a lot less than the post office actually charges Tadlow...."

"Strange when Tadlow does shipping to anywhere in the world for £3....which is a lot less than the post office actually charges Tadlow...."

That's certainly worth saying twice, James. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2017 - 1:22 AM   
 By:   ANDREW   (Member)

The stats for TITANIC have always irked me because,as good as Horner was, I feel(and this is MY opinion and not necessarily representative of the score-loving community) that album sold like it did because of the Celine Dion song. As much as Id like to say that people sat up and took notice of the score, sales occurred on the back of the strength of that song. ....and is the score TRULY Horner's best work? Personally I think not. Not meant to start another hate thread or anything like that....just a shame that movie music isn't more recognised. But wait...isn't that it's very aim??? And so can start another discussion....

Also, my wife is the only woman I dated who didn't ask me "How can you listen to music without words?"....thus, I had to marry her! Couldn't let that one get away,could I?

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2017 - 1:35 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I have at times wondered about that too.

I was really shocked that many of the 2016 lists of passed away celbrities had not mention of Pierre Boulez or Sir Neville Marriner or Nikolaus Harnoncourt... these are HUGE names in the "classical music world". But the mainstream public is more interested to what parties Kim and Kanye go.


You think film music is small? Classical music is worse. Marriner's top recording is (obviously) for Amadeus. If you look at the top streams for Boulez's music it's in the thousands, not even the tens of thousands. All things being equal, that puts him on the level of a minor film composer.


We don't even have to go that far --there are people right here in the scoring industry, from music editors, conductors, composers, etc., who pass away and nobody says a single word about it on the FSM forum.

I remember a prime example off the top of my head. I found out a year or so after-the-fact that Michael Melvoin had passed away and I was the only one who even mentioned it on any score forum I post at.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2017 - 2:06 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Here are some generalizations that still apply:

People who enjoy classical music - mostly older adults.

People who enjoy pop music - mostly teenagers and young adults.

People who enjoy film music - a tiny crossover of those groups.


Why? Teenagers and young adults don´t like orchestral music. And older adults consider film music as not serious and good enough as classical music.


And, maybe even more shockingly:

People who care about what music they listen to - a shrinking percentage of music lovers.

People who just listen to what´s popular today and who are eager to throw that out for the next big thing - billions.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2017 - 2:56 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Here are some generalizations that still apply:

People who enjoy classical music - mostly older adults.

People who enjoy pop music - mostly teenagers and young adults.

People who enjoy film music - a tiny crossover of those groups.


Why? Teenagers and young adults don´t like orchestral music. And older adults consider film music as not serious and good enough as classical music.


And, maybe even more shockingly:

People who care about what music they listen to - a shrinking percentage of music lovers.

People who just listen to what´s popular today and who are eager to throw that out for the next big thing - billions.


The reason why classical music is enjoyed mostly by older adults these days is that they grew up at a time where they received some musical education. As a teenager, I already enjoyed lots of orchestral and classical music (in fact, I pretty much disdained most pop music as a teenager, far more than I do now... I was kinda snobby). Why? Because I had parents who were musically educated, we had a piano at home, I went to operas as a kid and I had at times good music teachers. Unfortunately, people don't just suddenly "start" to listen to classical music when they get older. Also, I used to enjoy film scores early on as a teen too, and now I guess most people (who don't know me) would consider me an adult.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2017 - 4:04 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

The biggest marketing tool for film music is film itself.

When films are new, promoted and getting big audiences, people might be swept up with the music too. Soundtrack albums for current films can do pretty well.

However, archival film music is something else entirely.

That takes a whole new level of commitment / fascination.

Some of us were sufficiently infected by the music of Jerry Goldsmith or John Williams or John Barry at some point that we went to that level. Most don't.

I'm sure there somebody somewhere is gonna watch a movie like Goldfinger or The Omen for the first time and fancy the music. But the older these films get, the less that happens.

What's hot is what's new. What's old is embraced by a shrinking niche.

It is the way of things.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2017 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Here are some generalizations that still apply:

People who enjoy classical music - mostly older adults.

People who enjoy pop music - mostly teenagers and young adults.

People who enjoy film music - a tiny crossover of those groups.


Why? Teenagers and young adults don´t like orchestral music. And older adults consider film music as not serious and good enough as classical music.


And, maybe even more shockingly:

People who care about what music they listen to - a shrinking percentage of music lovers.

People who just listen to what´s popular today and who are eager to throw that out for the next big thing - billions.


The reason why classical music is enjoyed mostly by older adults these days is that they grew up at a time where they received some musical education. As a teenager, I already enjoyed lots of orchestral and classical music (in fact, I pretty much disdained most pop music as a teenager, far more than I do now... I was kinda snobby). Why? Because I had parents who were musically educated, we had a piano at home, I went to operas as a kid and I had at times good music teachers. Unfortunately, people don't just suddenly "start" to listen to classical music when they get older. Also, I used to enjoy film scores early on as a teen too, and now I guess most people (who don't know me) would consider me an adult.


This! It's about exposure. I grew up loving classical and film music because that is what was played in the house. Along with big band and some jazz. I really never liked pop and rock music, but again I wasn't brought up on that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2017 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Exposure. Hmm. Makes sense. My Dad was into big band in a big way, Ma all kinds of pop standards starting with Tin Pan Alley. I grew up in the 60s and with the older sibs it was every shade of rock imaginable. It's no wonder my tastes have been eclectic from the get-go. And that get-go includes a rerecording of Around...Eighty Days when I was three or four, P. Faith's version of A Summer Place blaring overhead at the Safeway, and Herrmann's Walking Distance on TV. Oh and later those commercials with John Williams the actor hawking the classics. That was a biggie, too.

Exposure, indeed.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2017 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Here are some generalizations that still apply:

People who enjoy classical music - mostly older adults.

People who enjoy pop music - mostly teenagers and young adults.


To be honest, I think these are fifty year old generalizations. I'm not sure if by "pop" you are including rock (if not, you've strangely left that out), but I am in my fifties and I know only a handful of people my age who listen to classical music even occasionally. (I am one. My friend Jesse is another. And my friend Dave, who is a professional violist.) Otherwise, they listen to various permutations of rock and pop… and that certainly includes a few friends of mine in their mid-sixties. Many of them are very passionate about it, going to concerts and clubs several times a month if not more.

I bring this up because very often, we see what is broadly spoken of as "pop" music dismissed here as the vacuous concern of teenyboppers. That seems fairly oblivious to me.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2017 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Yeah part of my love for orchestral music is based on the years I spent playing piano and then clarinet and then bass clarinet (great when you are lazy because your parts are not as difficult) in various bands. This included going to band concerts my sister was in and a few times the opera or the symphony. Honor band concerts were often really quite nice and one year I got to play ocarina on one piece as part of honor band. That was really nice.

 
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