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 Posted:   Dec 3, 2014 - 3:46 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Gawd almighty! Those samples sound fabulous. If they represent the original score then I'm impressed. The professionalism of the musicians and sound engineers is . . . profound.

Edit: I've just noticed this is not the original soundtrack.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2014 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Gawd almighty! Those samples sound fabulous. If they represent the original score then I'm impressed. The professionalism of the musicians and sound engineers is . . . profound.


It is an excellent performance. I've had this since LP days and it used to bother me that the orchestra sounded relatively small and not as grand as in the film. But over the years I came to really like it in its own right and it has long been a favorite and I was playing it again as recently as three weeks ago.
My Stanyan CD has always sounded good to me, so an improvement on that should make this new one an exceptional release.
But the fact that it's labeled as "Original Soundtrack" is very irritating. If they have pride in their products, the paperwork should be reprinted. If they have any kind of relationship with their printer, it would cost them nothing except a bit of effort. I would also have liked the original cover art from the LP, which was famous at the time for its lack of text and arresting photo. But I suppose they wanted to distinguish it from the Stanyan.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2014 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Basil, it was you I was thinking of when I made the edit above. Knew you'd land on the ledge! wink

I'm seeing the final scene with Roberto firing the machine gun into the camera in my head and then the bell tolling. That distinctive music anyone should remember first and foremost from the film is not sampled, so an ideal benchmark is missing from the set. Also, the tepid cover from the original release has been substituted with a more authentic image.

I'm going to have to watch this movie tonight. I did the same with "Waterfront" just to get a flavor of the music.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2014 - 8:41 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Victor Young is probably the most under rated composer in Hollywood history check out:

SHANE "A TRIBUTE TO VICTOR YOUNG" on Koch CD's- pure rapture!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2014 - 9:49 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Basil, it was you I was thinking of when I made the edit above. Knew you'd land on the ledge! wink

I'm seeing the final scene with Roberto firing the machine gun into the camera in my head and then the bell tolling. That distinctive music anyone should remember first and foremost from the film is not sampled, so an ideal benchmark is missing from the set. Also, the tepid cover from the original release has been substituted with a more authentic image.

I'm going to have to watch this movie tonight. I did the same with "Waterfront" just to get a flavor of the music.



For some reason I could never into the movie "FWTBT", how Young wrote such a magnificent score for such a dull movie is beyond me?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2014 - 9:58 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Also, the tepid cover from the original release has been substituted with a more authentic image.


I liked the old one, but that's probably because I used to have the old LP and it was very impactful on a big LP sleeve. At CD size, I suppose it is a bit bland.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2014 - 11:13 PM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

As for me - I have no problems, 'cause I don't own original LP or old CD...
Samples are good, I don't have enough Young's scores in my collection, so this is nice addition.

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2014 - 1:23 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Victor Young is probably the most under rated composer in Hollywood history check out:

I guess it's possible he's underrated today but when he was alive he was quite popular and celebrated. Even nowadays he's had plenty of releases; Shane even sold out at 2000 copies...not bad these days for a 50s score.

You want to talk about most underrated...how about the brilliant and prolific (but barely represented on album) Roy Webb?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2014 - 3:25 AM   
 By:   Regie   (Member)

Can anyone remember when John Wayne appeared at the Academy Awards and he paid tribute to Victor Young? I can't remember whether it was when he got the Oscar for "True Grit" or on his very last appearance in April, 1979 - some weeks before he died. But Victor Young certainly got the recognition he deserved from the Duke.

There's a shot in "For Whom the Bells Tolls" (a film which doesn't particularly interest me) of Gary Cooper. It's right towards the end and he has the bluest of blue eyes, through a slightly filtered camera. When I saw that shot I thought, as I still do, that it's one of the most beautiful images to come from American cinema - alongside images of Brando and Garbo in that final shot of "Queen Christina". These were beautiful beautiful faces and they created potent images.

I adored "Coop", thinking him a total class act. Incidentally, a bit of trivia...his daughter Maria is married to the once-prominent classical pianist Byron Janis.

This article, written by Maria Cooper Janis to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the actor's death, is relevant to a discussion of "For Whom the Bell Tolls":

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maria-cooper-janis/post_2025_b_861617.html

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2014 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Right on, Regie. The final parting with Maria: "where you go I go too." I never did forget that scene from first viewing . . . well, how could one forget? Cooper nailed it down from every corner.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2014 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

I've completed a side-by-side comparison of the Varese and Stanyan CDs. The first thing that separates them is the level, with the Varese louder than the Stanyan. So I transferred both to audio files with the Varese volume lowered slightly to match the level of the Stanyan. That way, comparison wouldn't be influenced by different volume.
Then there is more reverb on the Varese. Nothing unusual here and typical of what we seem to hear on today's re-masterings – a warmer sound that has more bloom and an added glow to the bass.

So do I like the new one better? My initial response was that it's more a case of the Varese being "different" rather than "better". The Varese is definitely the "bigger" sound and would be instantly recognized by most people as the newer of the two. There's something about a lot of the re-releases these days that makes recordings sound similar, as if they've been recorded at the same venue – all very nice and rich, with a diffuse edge that softens hard edges. Maybe it's something to do with the same kind of enhancement software being added to some degree or other.

Switching back and forth between the Varese and the Stanyan reveals that the older sound holds up pretty well – the Stanyan could be described as lifting away some gauze and returning to a dryer and crisper presentation of what the actual performance might have sounded like. I've always liked the Stanyan for not having the "digital edge" of so many early CDs.

I suppose what one person hears as some welcome extra gloss, another might hear as a bit of bloat. And what one listener might perceive as a more accurate, leaner presentation, another could hear as colder and slightly undernourished.

Not wholly decided, I put the side-by-side switching aside and just played the CDs normally a couple more times as I went about my other business in my apartment. After that I'm now sure which of the two I'd pick to play in future.

My vote goes to the Varese. When just sitting back to enjoy this wonderful music rather than fiddling around assessing it, the added glow and smoothness of new version does win the day. I am surprised though by how well the old Stanyan CD still acquits itself after all these years. I feel a bit sad that an old favorite has been superseded, but a great score and performance like this deserves the best available CD and that's the new Varese.


 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2014 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

Thanks, Basil. That's exactly the kind of useful information that I (and I'm sure others) appreciate to hear.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2014 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

I already have this so no upgrade- gorgeous score that I never play.


Well, I played yesterday couple of times, just beautiful.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2014 - 9:58 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

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By: RM Eastman (Member)

OK, I had a change of heart, Ordered! Probably pissed because no Goldsmith, but I can't take that out on Victor Young, besides I always wanted a second copy of "FWTBT"

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2014 - 10:41 PM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

Listening now and it sounds great.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2014 - 12:07 AM   
 By:   crogrr   (Member)

Basil's analysis is stellar. This CD is outstanding.
Highly recommended.

I just wish that the same techniques could be utilized on the magnificent Nun's Story.....which sounds so much better on the WB Stereo LP than on the Stanyan CD.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2014 - 12:18 AM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

Bonus surprise: The groovy Latin exotica on track 6

Just finished my second spin, this time with headphones, and the sound quality is stellar. The score is overflowing with beautiful melodies and Spanish flavor, but unlike this post it avoids crossing the line into kitsch territory.

Most highly recommended.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2014 - 1:44 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

Great to read all the positive reviews of this score, it's one soundtrack I've always wanted but never managed to obtain.

I ordered it on the strength of the sound bites on Varese's website, but I'll admit to having some concerns about the sound quality, not through the samples, more due to the age of the recording.

However, you good folks have put my mind at ease, I am now even more excited that this sublime score is heading across the Atlantic to me.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2014 - 3:10 AM   
 By:   panphoto   (Member)

Thanks Basil, very helpful. I'll probably order it if only to have both versions to chose from to suit my mood - warm and expansive, or dry and bracing!

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2014 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

Still waiting for mine to arrive...sigh...ok Driving Miss Daisy, drive my copy to my office please. smile
I do not own the earlier version so this will be my first time listening to this score when it does arrive.

 
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