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 Posted:   Aug 5, 2013 - 6:10 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


In many cases, this is true. That's why the re-recordings of Steiner's Warner and RKO scores that we've gotten over the last two decades have been so welcome (even though the producers insisted on re-recording some scores where we had already gotten the original tracks).

1996 Virginia City / The Lost Patrol / The Beast With Five Fingers (Marco Polo)
1997 King Kong (Marco Polo)
1999 They Died With Their Boots On (Marco Polo)
2001 The Son of Kong / The Most Dangerous Game (Marco Polo)
2001 The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Marco Polo)
2003 All This and Heaven Too / A Stolen Life (Marco Polo)
2004 The Adventures of Mark Twain (Naxos)
2008 She (Tribute)
2009 The Charge of the Light Brigade (Tribute)
2012 The Adventures of Don Juan / Arsenic and Old Lace (Tribute)


Well I for one am glad they 'insisted' as I own nine of those ten (only missing All This and Heaven) and love them all

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2013 - 10:40 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I would love to have all of these 40's and '50's scores by Max Steiner on CD's, but didn't I read somewhere that Warner Brothers was notorious in not preserving the music elements ?


In many cases, this is true. That's why the re-recordings of Steiner's Warner and RKO scores that we've gotten over the last two decades have been so welcome (even though the producers insisted on re-recording some scores where we had already gotten the original tracks).

1996 Virginia City / The Lost Patrol / The Beast With Five Fingers (Marco Polo)
1997 King Kong (Marco Polo)
1999 They Died With Their Boots On (Marco Polo)
2001 The Son of Kong / The Most Dangerous Game (Marco Polo)
2001 The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Marco Polo)
2003 All This and Heaven Too / A Stolen Life (Marco Polo)
2004 The Adventures of Mark Twain (Naxos)
2008 She (Tribute)
2009 The Charge of the Light Brigade (Tribute)
2012 The Adventures of Don Juan / Arsenic and Old Lace (Tribute)



Bob, another great re-recorded cd:

The Flame and the Arrow: Classic Film Music of Max Steiner

Scannan SCF1502 Date: 1998 City of Prague Philharmonic: Kenneth Alwyn

Contains new recordings of: The Flame and the Arrow, Spencer's Mountain, The Dark at the Top of the Stairs, Mildred Pierce, Ice Palace, Life with Father, Now Voyager, The FBI Story, Sergeant York, The Hanging Tree, Parrish and Johnny Belinda.

It's a great cd and worth seeking out. Wonderful performances of the scores. I still play it often.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2013 - 10:44 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

Thanks for the great post, manderley, and making me aware of SINCE YOU WENT AWAY - that one I missed and I do like that movie - Id love to have that Steiner cd too.

I agree about the current state of movies - so much noise, so little heart. Thats why I really disliked MAN OF STEEL - it could have been great - Henry Cavill has great potential -but the director Chris Nolan gave us endless CGI and NOISE and precious little character development .

There are exceptions - I found the recent FRUITVALE STATION ultimately quite moving - no music score btw - but a lot of noisy contemporary "music". From a couple years back, I thought that Wes Anderson's MOONRISE KINGDOM was quite sweet ,whimsical, touching - hardly noticed by mainstream audiences.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)


You can add to the list of newly recorded:

Film Noir ...... on BMG Germany Date: 1996

William Stromberg and John Morgan

It has a fantastic suite from Max Steiner's "White Heat" 1949 film ..... 9:20 minutes.

This excellent cd also has: Maltese Falcon, All Through the Night, The Verdict and Dark Passage!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   TonyJ   (Member)

Here are the 25 major Steiner original track releases we've gotten since 1996. When combined with the 10 re-recordings listed above, that makes 35 releases in 17 years, or an average of about 2 per year. Not many, when you consider the breadth of Steiner's output.

1996 Gone With the Wind (Rhino)
1996 The Searchers (BYU)
1997 Casablanca (Rhino)
1998 The Flame and the Arrow (BYU)
1999 King Kong (Rhino)
1999 Max Steiner and the United States Pictures Scores [2 discs / 4 films] (SAE)
1999 She (BYU)
2000 Pursued (SAE)
2000 The Adventures off Don Juan (BYU)
2001 The Glass Menagerie (BYU)
2002 Max Steiner: The RKO Years [3 discs / 10 films] (BYU)
2002 Dodge City / The Oklahoma Kid (Film Music Archives)
2002 The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Rhino)
2003 A Summer Place (BYU)
2004 Battle Cry (BYU)
2004 The Fountainhead (BYU)
2005 Johnny Belinda (BYU)
2006 Marjorie Morningstar (SAE)
2006 Dark Victory (BYU)
2007 The Three Musketeers (BYU)
2007 The Letter (BYU)
2008 John Paul Jones / Parrish [LPs] (FSM)
2008 Rome Adventure [LP] (FSM)
2012 Since You Went away (BYU)
2013 Those Calloways (Intrada)



I'm not familiar with the 1999 SAE release Max Steiner and the United States Pictures Scores. What were the 4 film scores presented on this 2 CD recording?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....I'm not familiar with the 1999 SAE release Max Steiner and the United States Pictures Scores. What were the 4 film scores presented on this 2 CD recording?.....


MY GIRL TISA
SOUTH OF ST. LOUIS
CLOAK AND DAGGER
DISTANT DRUMS


(.....but note that ST. LOUIS and DISTANT DRUMS are lengthy, TISA has about 14+ minutes of score, and CLOAK AND DAGGER is a slightly over 2 minute piece, called "Overture"---whatever that means for a film like this..... All certainly rare and worthy scores by Steiner.)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I'm not familiar with the 1999 SAE release Max Steiner and the United States Pictures Scores. What were the 4 film scores presented on this 2 CD recording?


The four films are:

Cloak and Dagger (1946)
My Girl Tisa (1948)
South of St. Louis (1949)
Distant Drums (1951)



 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

It's too bad that in reissuing this with a reduced price, BYU didn't consider pulling DISTANT DRUMS out of the package, putting the three other scores on one disc, and making up a new disc of DISTANT DRUMS, this time adding, as a bonus, the several minutes of Alex North's first score for the film which has been floating around the collector market for a few years.

It would have been an interesting and valuable addition to DRUMS, and they could have, instead of $20 for a 4-score 2-disc set, charged $20 for the 3-score CD, and $20 for a revised DRUMS cd, giving them $10 extra profit for film music restoration.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 5:04 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

You can add to the list of newly recorded:

Film Noir ...... on BMG Germany Date: 1996

William Stromberg and John Morgan

It has a fantastic suite from Max Steiner's "White Heat" 1949 film ..... 9:20 minutes.

This excellent cd also has: Maltese Falcon, All Through the Night, The Verdict and Dark Passage!



As far as that goes, you can also add the re-recordings of Steiner's "Helen of Troy" and "A Summer Place" from Elmer Bernstein's Film Music Collection, which were released on CD by FSM in 2006.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 5:37 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

Some of those Steiner Society recordings would be great, especially CAGED.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

You can add to the list of newly recorded:

Film Noir ...... on BMG Germany Date: 1996

William Stromberg and John Morgan

It has a fantastic suite from Max Steiner's "White Heat" 1949 film ..... 9:20 minutes.

This excellent cd also has: Maltese Falcon, All Through the Night, The Verdict and Dark Passage!


This is a terrific recording, I was playing it today, you'd swear you were listening to the original recordings! William T. Stromberg and John Morgan did a marvelous job on this release, highly recommended, you can usually find innexpensive copies on Amazon.de

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2013 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

It's too bad that in reissuing this with a reduced price, BYU didn't consider pulling DISTANT DRUMS out of the package, putting the three other scores on one disc, and making up a new disc of DISTANT DRUMS, this time adding, as a bonus, the several minutes of Alex North's first score for the film which has been floating around the collector market for a few years.

It would have been an interesting and valuable addition to DRUMS, and they could have, instead of $20 for a 4-score 2-disc set, charged $20 for the 3-score CD, and $20 for a revised DRUMS cd, giving them $10 extra profit for film music restoration.


BYU was not a producing partner in this release. They graciously provided access to the materials and we licensed the scores from Richard Feiner and Co, who own all publishing and ancillary (including soundtrack) rights. We did not "reissue" this album, merely re-presented it with a lower price.

As for "Cloak and Dagger", it is actually a compilation of the main and end titles into a single "overture". BYU has a disc recording of the main title, but that was all. So we took the main and end title from the 35mm composite track to come up with the self-contained cue.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2013 - 6:47 AM   
 By:   alintgen   (Member)

Yes, Helen of Troy is a classic example of a score that not only needs to be released, but rerecorded in modern stereo sound. It is good to see all of the Golden Age scores from Fox, and now Waxman at Paramount, but WB had the best composers of all: not only Steiner, but Waxman and Korngold. How about a complete new recording of The Nun's Story, or at least a well done reissue of the original soundtrack (1959). ABL

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2013 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   John Morgan   (Member)

You can add to the list of newly recorded:

Film Noir ...... on BMG Germany Date: 1996

William Stromberg and John Morgan

It has a fantastic suite from Max Steiner's "White Heat" 1949 film ..... 9:20 minutes.

This excellent cd also has: Maltese Falcon, All Through the Night, The Verdict and Dark Passage!


This is a terrific recording, I was playing it today, you'd swear you were listening to the original recordings! William T. Stromberg and John Morgan did a marvelous job on this release, highly recommended, you can usually find innexpensive copies on Amazon.de


Actually, the running time of 9:20 is a misprint. Our suite is 19:20.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2013 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Mr. Morgan, are more Max Steiner film scores from Tribute Film Classics a thing of the past? In other words has TFC any plans for the future ?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2013 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

It's too bad that in reissuing this with a reduced price, BYU didn't consider pulling DISTANT DRUMS out of the package, putting the three other scores on one disc, and making up a new disc of DISTANT DRUMS, this time adding, as a bonus, the several minutes of Alex North's first score for the film which has been floating around the collector market for a few years.

It would have been an interesting and valuable addition to DRUMS, and they could have, instead of $20 for a 4-score 2-disc set, charged $20 for the 3-score CD, and $20 for a revised DRUMS cd, giving them $10 extra profit for film music restoration.


BYU was not a producing partner in this release. They graciously provided access to the materials and we licensed the scores from Richard Feiner and Co, who own all publishing and ancillary (including soundtrack) rights. We did not "reissue" this album, merely re-presented it with a lower price.

As for "Cloak and Dagger", it is actually a compilation of the main and end titles into a single "overture". BYU has a disc recording of the main title, but that was all. So we took the main and end title from the 35mm composite track to come up with the self-contained cue.




Do you think you could ever do a legit HELEN OF TROY? Just cannot understand why everyone has been ignoring this score...

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2013 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Yes, Helen of Troy is a classic example of a score that not only needs to be released, but rerecorded in modern stereo sound. It is good to see all of the Golden Age scores from Fox, and now Waxman at Paramount, but WB had the best composers of all: not only Steiner, but Waxman and Korngold. How about a complete new recording of The Nun's Story, or at least a well done reissue of the original soundtrack (1959). ABL

Fox had Newman, Friedhofer, Mockridge, Harline, Herrmann, Raksin in the 40s...MGM had Waxman in the 40s.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2013 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

Mr. Morgan, are more Max Steiner film scores from Tribute Film Classics a thing of the past? In other words has TFC any plans for the future ?

Even more to the point:

Mr. Morgan will we ever see another Tribute Release?

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2013 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   John Morgan   (Member)

Mr. Morgan, are more Max Steiner film scores from Tribute Film Classics a thing of the past? In other words has TFC any plans for the future ?

Only a thing of the past if we don't do anymore, which I always have hope circumstances may change. DON JUAN and ARSENIC wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the generous support of William Waybourn and Craig Spaulding. Both William and Craig are now living under a freeway bridge.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2013 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

You can add to the list of newly recorded:

Film Noir ...... on BMG Germany Date: 1996

William Stromberg and John Morgan

It has a fantastic suite from Max Steiner's "White Heat" 1949 film ..... 9:20 minutes.

This excellent cd also has: Maltese Falcon, All Through the Night, The Verdict and Dark Passage!


This is a terrific recording, I was playing it today, you'd swear you were listening to the original recordings! William T. Stromberg and John Morgan did a marvelous job on this release, highly recommended, you can usually find innexpensive copies on Amazon.de


Actually, the running time of 9:20 is a misprint. Our suite is 19:20.


My apologies John if I have inadvertantly mislead anyone as regards the running time of the "White Heat" selection. I did realise that PFK had made a mistake in not pointing out the error in the booklet of the running time in his earlier post but I felt it was not in my place to correct his omission(?) i.e. not drawing attention to this fact as I felt sure he would be realising it at some point and would draw attention to it himself. I do really love this recording though, well done once again to your good self and to William T. Stromberg!

 
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