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 Posted:   May 27, 2013 - 2:27 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

"One does not need to have supeior intelect to predict what the fake Tohr from Sweeden will do..."

Who is this "Tohr" YOR speaks of?

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2013 - 5:53 AM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

Has anyone heard John Scott´s Witchcraft? I have always considered it woven from the same Gothic cloth than Williams´ Dracula so to speak. Marvellously scary and romantic music.

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2013 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

Why do we always take Thor's bait - he has his view and expresses it, while some agree and a larger some disagree, no need to let the useless flame wars commence again.

Thor's opinion is in the minority and he is welcome to it (in Lukas' interview [in a link posted on this board earlier this month] he expressed that the C.C.C. vs Concept album debate at first seemed equal, but it turned out that many of the pro concept votes came from one passionate source, and I think we know who that is...), but his opinion is not shared by the labels, and does not effect what is produced by the labels (they have determined that the complete is best, and if the original release has something to it, they put that on as well), so let him have his say and let it go - we ain't gonna change his mind, and he ain't gonna change ours.

If and when DRACULA comes it will likely be a two disc set, with one the original score, and two a remastered album, and I and many here will buy it and Thor won't. It's that simple.

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2013 - 6:24 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Indeed. Thor seems like a nice chap and all but I've never quite understood the obsession at this board with him and his dislike of complete reissues!! It's so very strange.
His is just another opinion in a vast ocean of opinions.
I think the Varese Dracula CD also sounds quite rough, so if only for that reason, a better sounding release would be most welcome. Obviously, while they're at it (and if they can) locate the original score which contains some wonderful extra music AND NEW THEMES!! and bung it all together with a revamped sound of the LP re-record!
EVERYONE'S A WINNER !!!!!! smile

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2013 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Indeed. Thor seems like a nice chap and all but I've never quite understood the obsession at this board with him and his dislike of complete reissues!! It's so very strange.
His is just another opinion in a vast ocean of opinions.


He isn't the only one, however, just the most vocal.

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2013 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I must be one of the few people who actually likes this film. Yes, the bats on strings sequences are cheesy (they remind me of Saturday the 14th actually) but the drawing room confrontation between Van Helsing and Dracula is nothing short of brilliant. Langella and Olivier eat up that scenery.

Williams' score would be a delight to have expanded. That period of the late '70s up to 1982 is the composer's greatest period of writing bar none. I mean look at this line up

Star Wars- A New Hope
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Jaws 2
Dracula
The Fury
Superman the Movie
Empire Strikes Back
Raiders of the Lost Ark
E.T.
(I omitted Heartbeeps for obvious reasons)

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2013 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

Remastered? Sure, why not (although the existing soundtrack sounds fine).

I'm certainly not especially fussy, but I think the existing CD sounds truly terrible -- distant, pinched, shrill -- which is the reason I almost never listen to it.


Seconded with emphasis. The Varèse CD sounds like poo. And there is unreleased gold in them that hills, as I verified when I recently re-watched the film. Im glad, though, that the MCA/Varèse retains that reiumphant key change to major, upon the death of Dracula, which is astoundingly edited out in the film.

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2013 - 5:09 PM   
 By:   billiosis   (Member)

I'm not an audiophile exactly but even I find the sound quality of the old varese copy abysmal. Not varese fault I think cause the lp didn't sound good.
Curious thing though. How does such bad sound quality happen? It's not an ancient recording, 1979. This was post Star Wars. John Williams was THE hot composer of the time. Who dropped the ball here?

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2013 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

YOR likes to ridicule Torh from Sweeden for the following reasons:

1) Whenever a new complete and remastered edition of a score is released, he jumps in and say "Inhééééé, I am perfectly satisfied with the old original incomplet crap sounding release"... on and on and on and on... Well, if he is happy, why he needs to agravate the ones that are not?

1) Whenever a label announces that maybe they will release a new complete and remastered edition of a score, he jumps in and say "Inhééééé, I am perfectly satisfied with the old original incomplet crap sounding release. No need for a new edition"... on and on and on and on... Well, if he is happy, why he needs to agravate the ones that are not?

2) Whenever a new complete and remastered edition of one of his favorite composers, like Oingoboingo or Hanzimmer, are released he then says: "Inhééééé, I am so happy! I will buy two copies of it!". So, the guy has no coerence whatsoever and is a hypocrite.

3) Whenever you point this facts to him he get all touchy and start crying for moderator like a baby.

4) When moderator says he will do nothing because, well, Tohr is getting the same treatment he likes to do to others, them he just run like a baby and put you on his ignore list. And continue to agravate people.

Well, some will say that YOR likes to agravate people, specially the Hanzimmer's worshipers horde... and they are right.

But YOR do not cry like a baby when some people call him names or get mad at him. He knows he deserved that and, to honest, gets very amused!

So, there it is. YOR simple despises people like Torh from Sweeden and like to piss on their legs.

Go figure... YOR is from the future, so he is odd.

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2013 - 8:43 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Well, some will say that YOR likes to agravate people, specially the Hanzimmer's worshipers horde... and they are right.

YOR, I'd love to know your secret to pantie-wedging our fellow score fans. I had to take the extreme step of criticizing Capitalism Itself just to get Justin Boggan wound up. Hans Zimmer and Oingoboingo are low-hanging fruit to me.

By the way, YOR, if all the psychic distress you cause will somehow result in a meticulously remastered/re-released John Williams/London Symphony DRACULA, it will all be worth it.

P.S. Is "Inhééééé" some kind of Swedish war cry or mating call?

 
 Posted:   May 28, 2013 - 4:03 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

YOR, I'd love to know your secret to pantie-wedging our fellow score fans. I had to take the extreme step of criticizing Capitalism Itself just to get Justin Boggan wound up. Hans Zimmer and Oingoboingo are low-hanging fruit to me.

By the way, YOR, if all the psychic distress you cause will somehow result in a meticulously remastered/re-released John Williams/London Symphony DRACULA, it will all be worth it.

P.S. Is "Inhééééé" some kind of Swedish war cry or mating call?


Enterprise Going Into Sun: people tend to get mad whenever they read someone saying the truth about their beloved nasty composers.

So, YOR must speak the truth all the time, yes?

And, yes, YOR is fighting for the future of mankind against evil plans of Oingoboingo and Hanzimmer. Because in the future socialism reigns and lousy composers are into oblivion.

"Inhééééé" is the sound Oingoboingo-Hanzimmer fanboys always do just before their dipers are changed.

"Oingoboingo rules!! Inhééééééé!"

 
 Posted:   May 28, 2013 - 5:34 AM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

There's always the IGNORE option which most members tend to forget is there. I used that A LONG time ago with the certain member who likes to sound like a broken record about expanded score releases.

It makes reading the forum a whole lot easier.

 
 
 Posted:   May 28, 2013 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I must be one of the few people who actually likes this film. Yes, the bats on strings sequences are cheesy (they remind me of Saturday the 14th actually) but the drawing room confrontation between Van Helsing and Dracula is nothing short of brilliant. Langella and Olivier eat up that scenery.

I really enjoyed this when I saw it at the cinema. The only weak point I remember was Laurence Olivier's Van Helsing, he made so little impact, I'd forgotten that he was in it half an hour after seeing the film. Peter Cushing rules! I thought Kate Nelligan would go on to be a big star. I'm not a big Williams fan, but I love this score. I used to own the CD many years ago, I don't know what happened to it, so I'm hoping someone's working on a release.

I got a nasty shock when I saw it on the telly about ten years ago, it looks horrible now, nearly all the colour has been wound out, & it looks dark. It now looks like it was shot on VHS, why can't directors leave their movies alone.

 
 
 Posted:   May 28, 2013 - 6:01 AM   
 By:   Charlie Chan   (Member)

An absolute must. Much of the film was made about 10 miles from where I live in Cornwall UK. My absolute dream would be for John Williams and the LSO to assemble at St Michael's Mount near Penzance - which is the castle in the title sequence - and play the entire score live on a sunny summer Cornish evening and watch the sun set over the bay. No? Well a complete score cd would have to do then.

Regards

CC

 
 
 Posted:   May 28, 2013 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

Highlighting what Thor thinks just perpetuates things!
Pay him no mind and he will fade away!
And they're Norwegians Mac! wink

 
 Posted:   May 28, 2013 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Forgive my ignorance, but was the Dracula album one of those 're-recorded in London' situations, like The Fury?

In other words, are album and film separate recordings? Or is the album simply a truncation of the original film recording?

Thanks,

Steve

 
 
 Posted:   May 28, 2013 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes, it was a rerecording (as far as I know).

 
 Posted:   May 28, 2013 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Highlighting what Thor thinks just perpetuates things!
Pay him no mind and he will fade away!
And they're Norwegians Mac! wink


"Uhoh! No more Oingoboingo for this sweeden..."

 
 
 Posted:   May 28, 2013 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   mike.petersen   (Member)

Yes, it was a rerecording (as far as I know).

Actually, I don't think so. I could be wrong, but I've been enjoying this score since way back in the LP days, and to my ears it's the original film tracks, truncated and reassembled. Ford might know. Ford?

 
 
 Posted:   May 28, 2013 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes, it was a rerecording (as far as I know).

Actually, I don't think so. I could be wrong, but I've been enjoying this score since way back in the LP days, and to my ears it's the original film tracks, truncated and reassembled. Ford might know. Ford?


Really? Over the years, I've always read that it's a rerecording. But again, I'm not 100% certain (to be honest, those things aren't that important to me).

 
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