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 Posted:   Sep 1, 2004 - 8:38 PM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

Bugger.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2004 - 8:47 PM   
 By:   Moonie   (Member)

how about a complete Judge Dread.

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 2:13 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Cobra?
NightHawkes?
Tango&Cash?

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 2:57 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Conti's "Victory" is one title I've been wanting for years (his best score IMO) and I hope that will be released soon by some label.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 3:04 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Piranha is a great little score - that 'Premonition' cue is a terrific mini suite of theme and variations, climaxing with a strong brass chorale of the main theme. Other cues feature faux-classical strings, a bit of funky 70's processed fluting, a groovy acoustic guitar pop interlude 'Summer Dreams' - in fact thinking about it, this score is a really nice sister score to Carrie. There is at least one strong action piece, 'Piranhas Among Us' if memory serves, with heavy brass and string writing, and a bassline that has been stolen by other composers *cough Richard Band in Mutant cough*

As for Roger's 'Sly' hint, my first thought was Lock Up by Bill Conti, but thinking about how the MGM gates have recently been opened (kudos to Chris Neel, you rule!!!!), I'm thinking FIST will be the one. If so, this is a MUST have - powerful score, awesome performance by the London Symphony, and that's just the 30 minute LP - who knows what the Intrada boys have dug up.

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 4:48 AM   
 By:   Gizmo   (Member)

Only that we'll be announcing it in the next couple of weeks. And yes, it will be limited to 1000 units. And it's a Sly one.

Well, since Signature Releases are supposed to be music from smaller, more personal projects, my guess would be... SHADE. It's a Sly one and the composer is Chris Young.

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

Well, the reason why the first Intrada-edition of BANDOLERO did not sell so well was simply because just a few months prior there was a CD-release in Germany on the TCS-Label and although this was mastered from a vinyl source it was good enough that people did not buy Intrada´s CD.
Please keep in mind that the US-$ was much stronger back then and the internet was surely not what it is now !!!!

So, if there are really no contractual reasons for not producing 2000 or even more copies than this was a HUGE mistake !!!!!

Best,

Mika

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   nonadanix2   (Member)

Well, the reason why the first Intrada-edition of BANDOLERO did not sell so well was simply because just a few months prior there was a CD-release in Germany on the TCS-Label and although this was mastered from a vinyl source it was good enough that people did not buy Intrada´s CD.


The Edel/TCS-CD was released two or three years before the (first) Intrada-CD, not "a few months". There also was a CD on the Project-3-label between the Edel-CD and the Intrada-CD. The Project-3- and Edel-CD were both from the same vinyl-source, but the Edel was heavily filtered, resulting in a very muffled sound.

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

Thanks Stefan,

completely forgot the Project 3-release.
Were (is) Intrada unaware of these CDs ????

Mika

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)



When we did the first limited edition BANDOLERO! CD (and I can't remember when that was...it must be at least 10 years now), we only sold 1500 copies out of the limited run of 3000. So when it came time to set a volume for this release, that seemed to be what the market would bear.


Bandolero! is a terrific Goldsmith score. As a kid, a audio taped the movie when it came on TV to get the music. It was one of the first scores that made me appreciate Jerry Goldsmith. Some years later, I got the Project3 release of the music. When Intrada released the re-mastered Bandolero! on CD, it had the same content as the original LP release, though it was better mastered than the previous CD releases. I skipped on that one, always (faintly) hoping that maybe some day someone would release an expanded edition, as some top cues, like "Procession to the Gallows" or the tinkering saloon piano music from the beginning of the film, were still missing from that CD.
Now I'm looking forward to the new INTRADA release, which seems to be definitive.

I believe that this CD might have sold out quicker than the previous one because

a) unlike earlier releases, it is a comprehensive, definitive edition of Bandolero! and
b) more soundtrack collectors are hooked up to the Internet than there were in 1993.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the arguments. The earlier BANDOLERO! releases have been long out of print. So to say that in the intervening 11 years since the INTRADA release's first appearance and the disappearance of the first two issues that every possible collector had a copy is not reasonable.

Also, the decision isn't based just on BANDOLERO! v1.o sales, but we've released enough albums to know what market demand is. I don't think anyone who REALLY wants this expanded BANDOLERO! will have to do without one.

Roger

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Nick Haysom   (Member)

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the arguments. The earlier BANDOLERO! releases have been long out of print.

But not unavailable: I bought the Intrada one from Screen Archives last year. It cost a bit more than I would normally pay so I was - I think the expression is - "hacked off" when the expanded one was announced!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   Nick Haysom   (Member)

There is *another* CD version of PIRANHA now up on eBay starting at $4.99.

http://babyurl.com/87iDvW

I assume it is a boot?

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   rmos   (Member)



Only that we'll be announcing it in the next couple of weeks. And yes, it will be limited to 1000 units. And it's a Sly one.

Roger


Goldsmith's "First Blood"?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   Morlock1   (Member)

Never Mind

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the arguments. The earlier BANDOLERO! releases have been long out of print. So to say that in the intervening 11 years since the INTRADA release's first appearance and the disappearance of the first two issues that every possible collector had a copy is not reasonable.

Indeed, Roger, but that's hardly what I said.


Also, the decision isn't based just on BANDOLERO! v1.o sales, but we've released enough albums to know what market demand is. I don't think anyone who REALLY wants this expanded BANDOLERO! will have to do without one.


But don't you think that this release has sold out so fast simply because more soundtrack afficionados have Internet now than ten years ago? There's no doubt that you have enough experience to have a good idea of how many copies of Bandolero! you can sell, but I'd be surprised if this release hasn't sold out quicker now than it could have ten years ago.

As far as every interested collector getting a copy, well, there are always a few who lose out; that's life. Not everybody checks the Internet for soundtrack releases all the time. I would have loved to get a copy of Morricone's The Island; alas, when I found out about Varese's Club Edition release, it was already sold out. Tough luck, I guess. Anyway, one way or another, I'm glad Bandolero! is finally gets an expanded edition.

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

BANDOLERO is a classic which not only appeals to Goldsmith- but also to Western-collectors.
So pressing only 1500 is, well, under-optimistic.

Mika

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)



Goldsmith's "First Blood"?


That has already been released, first by Intrada, then by Varese (same content). Is there any music missing on these releases?

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

BANDOLERO is a classic which not only appeals to Goldsmith- but also to Western-collectors.
So pressing only 1500 is, well, under-optimistic.

Mika


But there are no monsters, dinosaurs, or space ships in it, so you sell a thousand copies less right there. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2004 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

La La Land hit the nail on the head. If you press 1000 or 1500 of something you are hitting the die hard collectors, the ones who pretty much buy anything called a soundtrack. When you press 3000 it really has to be a special title in order to sell out. This is what they've all discovered. And, yes, the eBay speculators started coming out in force about eight months ago (what was the first of the 1000 pressing titles in the last year - The Island?). The Island sold out immediately, the speculators took note, and now, somehow in the last eight months the limited edition business has taken a whole new turn.

And let me tell you, the speculators are not buying "several" copies (maybe they are from Intrada) - they are sometimes buying fifty or more copies. That's why these things are selling out so quickly. If you have ten speculators who buy fifty copies each of a 1000 unit release, well, I think you can do the arithmetic.

 
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