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I totally echo Octoberman's remarks. My immediate thought on seeing this in the movie was that Scotty chose to offer this gift to honor his friend. I thought it was obvious and am glad I've never had that touching moment ruined by an audience of ignoramuses.
Mike
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I totally echo Octoberman's remarks. My immediate thought on seeing this in the movie was that Scotty chose to offer this gift to honor his friend. I thought it was obvious and am glad I've never had that touching moment ruined by an audience of ignoramuses.
Mike
That's kind of how I feel.
And maybe indeed he's never held, or almsot never held bagpipes; maybe he just wanted to carry on a tradition.
One of the studpiest things I read online is from the last few generations of youths (or "yoots", if you get it...) who write online how they laughed at people dying on screen, or similar scenes of tragedy, in serious films. And I don't mean "Naked Gun" type stuff.
Last film I saw had the same problems and among those are people who are STILL playing with their gorram phones while the movie is on. They're not even looking at the screen, and sometimes carrying on a conversation. I want an eject button for the seat behind me; something that sends them up into the air like the Joker in that '60's "Batman" episode. Or a button that shocks them like in that early "The Simpsons" episode (my finger slipped...).
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I always thought Scotty's display was a little over-the-top, but hardly laugh-worthy.
Viewers always knew Scotty was a proud Scot, we'd just never seen him cosplay before (or play an instrument).
It's not like he pulled out a guitar for a few bars of 'Danny Boy'- It's a full kilt and set of bagpipes (which are extremely hard to play even when you have a place to practice regularly- Jeffries Tubes are not known for being soundproof).
In the end, it is Scotty's offering to a long-time friend. Something of himself.
These displays are rarely for the deceased (they don't much care), but for gathered living. Consider it a display of the depth of his grief that he went to such lengths.
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I too always thought it was a beautiful tribute from Scotty. Brings a tear to me eye almost every time!
I'm flabbergasted that it's produced disapproving or even derisive comments from others.
I know I'm in the minority, but for me the only laughable thing in this movie is Khan/his followers. They look ridiculous (especially boob Khan) and while I understand Montalban's performance could be considered excellent if it was a theatrical one (playing to the back of the theater) in the movie it feels way over the top. I was worried to show the film to my wife because of that (okay, and Shatner's "KHAAAAAN!") and my worries were justified. (Amusingly her least favorite Trek movies ended up being the even numbered ones. She preferred all thee odd numbered ones by far...and the thing is I kinda agree with her. Sacrilege I know.)
Okay there's one other awkward part for me but it's just in the extended director's cut: I love Mr. Doohan but for some reason the bit with his nephew dying felt clumsily done to me.
On the other hand, everything else about the movie I LOVE. Aside form the weird Khan scream (though it's better than the awful QuintoSpock one in the latest travesty of a film) this is the best acting Shatner's done in his career. The film is beautifully written and the themes come though quite powerfully. Plus I really like Kirstie Alley's Saavik. Such a shame she was recast for the next two films.
Yavar
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It was Harve Bennett's decision to have the bagpipes played at the end. He had been to a funeral and someone was playing the bagpipes , so he was the one who wanted them at the end of the movie.
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As others have stated, I found and still find it quite moving and was slightly surprised at myself for nearly being brought to tears by it, until I heard several audience members around me openly weeping. And living in the Bible belt of the Southern US, “Amazing Grace” being played at a funeral was almost assumed, so I don’t think anyone was surprised at its use. No snark intended, but the segue from pipes to orchestra sounded like the key was slightly mismatched.
At the film’s end when Spock is speaking the famous closing line, some guys near me were reciting it along with him out loud, one or two of them with voices trembling from weeping. As everyone was exiting the theater, there was quite the celebratory atmosphere, especially since this film was so much more exciting than The Changeling II, er, uh, STTMP.
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To me the problem with this scene is not the bagpipes per se, but that there was never a close-up of Scotty before the pipes start playing to clearly establish it was him playing them. So when "Amazing Grace" begins, the audience was like "Why is bagpipe music playing?"
James Horner hated the bagpipe music and begged Harve Bennett not to use it, but he was overruled. Ironic that two of Horner's most popular scores turned out to be Braveheart and Titanic!
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I don't really understand why everyone is in a tizzy over the bagpipes. It seemed completely normal to me.
First, Amazing Grace is a fairly standard thing to play at a human (American) funeral. Second, the presence of bagpipes is also fairly standard for the funeral service of a respectable military serviceman, police, or fireman. So Starfleet being a pseudo-military tradition type organization (using traditions such as the boatswain etc), this seems like a logical thing to do, coupled with someone else's comment that it was Scotty's personal gift to Spock.
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