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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Poltergeist
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2011 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Actual just watched P2 again tonight. Hadn't seen it for years and it really is a disappointment after the first one. What was the point in any of these creature designs by H.R.Geiger if you can't even get a good look at them at any point! Terrible editing.
The music is terrific though and i also find i go back to listen to this one more often than the original. The 'Kane', 'Power' and 'Family' themes are so great that the score really just all comes together so well, despite the 'iffy' synths. the 'Reaching out' track sounded that it might have been scoring something much better than ended up on the screen.

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2011 - 8:51 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I love part 2 and the score. I've listened to part 2 more than the first.

So those showing some love for part 2 are groovy folks.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2011 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   chadergeist   (Member)

It's a shame that FSM didn't put the song in Richard Lawson's headphones on this two disc set. They put songs on TZ-TM and Gremlins. Confused on this one.

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2011 - 8:55 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

I can't even remember what the song was....but I dare say it was just a case of either sheer irrelavence or a rights issue. Either way, I don't find it a shame at all.

Count me in for the Poletergeist II love-in....score of course, though I quite enjoy the movie too....

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2011 - 2:14 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

the 'Reaching out' track sounded that it might have been scoring something much better than ended up on the screen.

I believe that's a case of Jerry scoring what isn't there as the special effects weren't finished, and I suspect they ran out of budget to do that 'other side' sequence properly and instead of using the slow build up of 'reaching out', they threw in 'they're back' repeat. Though I have to say that use is very cool and a better payoff than Jerry's original intention as the longer version takes the momentum away IMO. Having been used to hearing those cuts in the movie, it took some adjusting to Goldsmith's original intent as it isn't as aggressive.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2011 - 3:17 AM   
 By:   Simon Underwood   (Member)

It's a shame that FSM didn't put the song in Richard Lawson's headphones on this two disc set. They put songs on TZ-TM and Gremlins. Confused on this one.

Song rights are not always available with the rest of the score. We're lucky if they are and can be included, as on the projects you mention, but in this case it likely wasn't possible. It's not a major blow - I LOVE songs being included, but even I wouldn't regard this as an essential track to have.

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2011 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   mxmx   (Member)

So this was announced one year ago today, and while this may seem highly unusual I'd just like to ask... is there, in fact, a consensus that the FSM release is an improvement over the Rhino edition? And has it also satisfied those who have long supported the original LP presentation?

Mike M.

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2011 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

So this was announced one year ago today, and while this may seem highly unusual I'd just like to ask... is there, in fact, a consensus that the FSM release is an improvement over the Rhino edition? And has it also satisfied those who have long supported the original LP presentation?

Mike M.


Yes!

Especially for inclusion of the original LP presentation which I much prefer to the complete score.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2011 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

HUGE improvement on the Rhino, and a bit scary, since it's one of my absolute
favorites, and I didn't have issue with that version until this one came out. What
other favorites am I hearing with muddled ears???

Perfect package, home run on the notes MM, this is how it should be done IMO.
Informative, trivia about the film and score, a good appreciation of the music and
the behind the scenes stuff - this is the way to go!

Also glad you included the LP program - I swore I would never go back after hearing
the complete score, but nostalgia drew me to give it a try, and you know....Goldsmith
put together a hell of a record, as usual - you really don't realize that until you compare
the complete vs. album sometimes. So, I happily alternate listens between album and
complete now - and what the HELL is up with that alternate Escape from Suburbia!
It's total madness in performance and conducting!

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2011 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

So this was announced one year ago today, and while this may seem highly unusual I'd just like to ask... is there, in fact, a consensus that the FSM release is an improvement over the Rhino edition? And has it also satisfied those who have long supported the original LP presentation?

Mike M.


Yes!

Especially for inclusion of the original LP presentation which I much prefer to the complete score.


HUGE HUGE HUGE improvement!

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2011 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

So this was announced one year ago today, and while this may seem highly unusual I'd just like to ask... is there, in fact, a consensus that the FSM release is an improvement over the Rhino edition? And has it also satisfied those who have long supported the original LP presentation?

Mike M.


Yes!

Especially for inclusion of the original LP presentation which I much prefer to the complete score.


HUGE HUGE HUGE improvement!


I mostly play the LP presentation. Love the edits on that one and when I want a full experience then, I switch over to the disc 1.

Keep 'em coming, Mike!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2011 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

So this was announced one year ago today, and while this may seem highly unusual I'd just like to ask... is there, in fact, a consensus that the FSM release is an improvement over the Rhino edition? And has it also satisfied those who have long supported the original LP presentation?

Mike M.


Oh yeah Mike...it blows the Rhino edition away...and the original LP was a great program so it is wonderful to have it on CD too. We watched the movie on Blu Ray last week, now, I've not seen it in 10 years or more...and man is it creaky in spots... SO much a product of Spielberg's 80's at times In Your Face style...but some parts work wonderfully. And the music got a great mix it seems.

This is a superb presentation, music, notes, and all. A treasure.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2011 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

HUGE improvement on the Rhino, and a bit scary, since it's one of my absolute
favorites, and I didn't have issue with that version until this one came out. What
other favorites am I hearing with muddled ears???

Perfect package, home run on the notes MM, this is how it should be done IMO.
Informative, trivia about the film and score, a good appreciation of the music and
the behind the scenes stuff - this is the way to go!

Also glad you included the LP program - I swore I would never go back after hearing
the complete score, but nostalgia drew me to give it a try, and you know....Goldsmith
put together a hell of a record, as usual - you really don't realize that until you compare
the complete vs. album sometimes. So, I happily alternate listens between album and
complete now - and what the HELL is up with that alternate Escape from Suburbia!
It's total madness in performance and conducting!


Was that a whistle heard in the alternate "Escape"? No kidding, the first time I heard it I thought the fire alarm was going off. Scared the crap out of me.

-Rick O.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2011 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   mxmx   (Member)

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

I'd like to reveal, in case it wasn't apparent, that the source material used for the FSM release is exactly the same one that was used for the Rhino edition. It just proves what is possible with a combination of the proper time and attention and the wonders of advanced technology.

Bruce Botnick and I wrestled this alligator, and even snapped at each other a few times along the way, until we got it where we wanted it. Also, we did have the original LP master and neither of us thought it sounded very good at all. This was surprising since it had been praised so highly, at least as compared to the Rhino release. Bruce especially didn't like the ton of reverb on it and we even discovered that one track, "Night Visitor," had been incorrectly mixed on the album (the left and center channels were swapped). So we proceeded with a painstaking restoration of the analog elements and re-created the LP program from that.

A year ago I trusted that the result would speak for itself, but one year later I thought it would be interesting to make the details known now that listeners have some perspective on it.

Mike

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2011 - 5:15 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I'd like to reveal, in case it wasn't apparent, that the source material used for the FSM release is exactly the same one that was used for the Rhino edition. It just proves what is possible with a combination of the proper time and attention and the wonders of advanced technology.

It was not apparent. The sound is so much better, I assumed that you'd found an earlier generation of tape. This is one of my all-time favorite scores, and this presentation is magnificent. (I remember liking the sound on the LP, but that may be my mind playing tricks on me. In either event, it's long gone now.) So I guess I should have been giving you more credit than I had!

I'm hoping this means that some scores that have always sounded flat could, in the proper hands, be brought back to life. (I know that there's only so much you can do if the sound simply isn't there.)

I'm going to pull out the CD and spin it this week. Thanks for the reminder!

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2011 - 7:51 PM   
 By:   mxmx   (Member)

Adds holiday cheer to any home! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2011 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

Adds holiday cheer to any home! smile

Hmmm, Mike I'm truly amazed that you and Bruce didn't think the original LP masters didn't sound that great, because as much improved as your release sounds (and I am so thankful that you guys made "lemonade out of lemons" or whatever magic you worked, I still seem to enjoy my LP transfer of the main title more than the FSM release. The flute and violins continue to have a lustre that both CD releases can't seem to replicate (if that's the appropriate term in this situation).

It truly is amazing though how you have turned the same source completely about face, and if you visit the "Top 5 FSM releases" link you'll see how much I love this FSM release...so THANKS smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2011 - 9:42 PM   
 By:   mxmx   (Member)

I can only attribute the LP preference to a personal predilection for the aesthetics of the era. In Bruce's studio it was apparent that much had been done to optimize it for vinyl. The levels were low and the strings seemed ear-splittingly shrill. While those things could have been addressed, it was the reverb that most made it feel dated. Then when the incorrect mix was discovered on that one track it was clear that the thing to do was re-create the LP program rather than inflict added frustration on the listener by having two completely different sounds.

Mike

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2011 - 9:51 PM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

Sorry to interrupt the technical information with this Mike, but just so you know... this is perhaps the most perfect soundtrack release in my collection. Everything is flawless, and there's a treasure chest of music to go through, ensuring that it's never in any danger of becoming stale. I might go so far as to suggest it's the benchmark for expanded score presentations (and at present, equaled only by 1941).

I tip my hat to you, sir.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2011 - 9:57 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Sorry to interrupt the technical information with this Mike, but just so you know... this is perhaps the most perfect soundtrack release in my collection. Everything is flawless, and there's a treasure chest of music to go through, ensuring that it's never in any danger of becoming stale. I might go so far as to suggest it's the benchmark for expanded score presentations (and at present, equaled only by 1941).

I tip my hat to you, sir.


What he said!

 
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