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May 20, 2019 - 11:35 AM
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Bob DiMucci
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I'd be interested in hearing the biggest "fact" that Stone presented that showed that anyone other than Oswald, acting alone, killed Kennedy.
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What, do you honestly want me to type out the script for the entire 3-1/2 hour movie here in the "What Movie Did You Watch?" thread? The film is full of statements by witnesses and true facts, known even to "Lone Nut" subscribers, that are almost, if not completely, impossible to explain away...
The Warren Commission Report is also full of statements by witnesses and “true facts.” And they all lead to the conclusion that Oswald, acting alone, killed Kennedy.
But let’s take one of these witness statements from the movie, to show Stone’s modus operandi. Stone has someone named Jean Hill (played by actress Ellen McElduff) tell how she saw a shot being fired from the grassy knoll. She tells the audience “and that shot just ripped his head off. I looked up and I saw smoke coming from over there on the knoll.” Well, that’s pretty conclusive eyewitness testimony that there was a second shooter. And, there actually is a Jean Hill and she actually said that.
EXCEPT that it wasn’t until twenty-six years later that she told the story for the first time, that she “saw a man fire from behind the wooden fence” and that she also saw “a puff of smoke.” But in the movie, Stone has Hill telling of all these things 20 minutes after the assassination. In real life, Hill made a statement on the day of the assassination to the Dallas Sheriff’s office and later gave testimony to the Warren Commission, and in neither instance did she claim to have seen anything of significance, other than thinking that she saw someone who looked like Jack Ruby running from the direction of the Texas School Book Depository toward the grassy knoll. She never said she saw anyone firing a gun from the grassy knoll.
I guess this is what Mr. Marshall calls “timeline creative license.” But why would Stone do that to present an obviously true statement? Do you think it has anything to do with how credible the audience would think that statement to be? Stone could have been factually accurate, without adding a second to the film’s running time, by simply adding a graphic under the scene of Hill’s statement reading “26 Years Later.” Of course we all know what would have happened had he done that. The audience would have hooted the scene off the screen for the obvious absurdity that it was.
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Just a suggestion but if this is gonna go back n forth perhaps you guys would be better discussing the facts of jfk in a jfk movie thread? We have a few jfk threads i think.
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May 20, 2019 - 12:44 PM
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jackfu
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Capricorn One (1978) 9/10
I finally bought this on blu-ray. One of my top five all-time favorites. If nothing else, it captures the Cynical Seventies quite well.
I think Hyams really got it right with the way it’s presented as a dark comedy.
I enjoy the back-and-forth between the characters played by Elliott Gould, Karen Black and David Doyle.
I liked virtually all the major players and I even enjoyed O.J.’s acting (his line, “I don’t want to die!” actually had some feeling to it).
David Huddleston’s role as “Senator Peaker” seemed to borrow from his “Olson Johnson” in Blazing Saddles in a good way.
I didn’t care for Telly’s take as a southerner (Texan?), although he was hilarious as “Albain”. That Long Island accent was just too overpowering.
I have to confess, part of the attraction for me was the character of "Peter Willis" (Sam Waterston). I think I saw a slight reflection of myself in his character (not physically) as I've pretty much been known as a bit of a wise acre and the responses of the other characters to him were quite similar to those I've typically gotten from family/friends over the years.
Of course, it has some plot holes – the biggest being the use of the lunar module - hardly adequate for a 14-month round trip to Mars.
But Hyams got across the idea of how most conspiracies are just too big and tend to get bigger and bigger as time goes by.
Too many folks to silence/disappear, too many loose ends to tie, etc.
There seems a depressing consistency between JFK, Moon Landing, etc., type conspiracy buffs, UFO proponents and the perceived lack of credibility they have, especially after all the rock-solid physical proof they’ve provided over the years.
The video and audio quality is great, but I wish there’d been more special features.
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May 20, 2019 - 1:18 PM
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Bob DiMucci
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RED JOAN (2019) - 7/10
This film tells the story of Britain's own Ethel Rosenberg, i.e., a woman who gave Britain's atomic bomb secrets to the Russians. Most of the film is told in flashback, with Sophie Cookson playing the young "Joan Stanley," while her older self (Judi Dench) is being questioned by British authorities after her arrest at age 80.
Fresh out of Cambridge during WWII, the young Joan (a physics major) had gone to work for Britain's atom bomb research organization. But she fell in love with a Stalinist Jew (Tom Hughes) who was working for the KGB. The rest, as they say, is history. Cookson has most of the screen time in this film, and she's quite good. She had a supporting role in the two KINGSMAN films, but I didn't remember her from those. The film is loosely based on the real life case of British civil servant Melita Norwood.
Trevor Nunn (1986's LADY JANE) directed the film, his first directorial assignment in 10 years. George Fenton provides a reflective score. (It's good to see him back again so soon after this year's Liam Neeson thriller COLD PURSUIT.) No word on a release for this score.
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May 21, 2019 - 1:24 AM
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Rameau
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I'm reading this really great book about D-Day (D-Day: The Soldiers Story, by Giles Milton), & I fancied a long film on Sunday evening, so it had to be...The Longest Day. The Blu-ray has come in for a lot of criticism because it's over noise reduced, which is true (although I doubt 90% of people would even notice), but it's still a thousand times better looking than the DVD. I really enjoyed it, some bits work great & some bits are a bit naff, but overall it still works for me, & that long helicopter shot while they're attacking the casino, has to be one of the great shots in cinema. This really needs a ten part HBO series to do it anything like justice.
...it's put me in the mood for a re-viewing of Band Of Brothers
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They just started reshowing B of B on uk tv.
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As scuttlebutt goes....
STUDIO SUIT: It's called Enemy Mine, so it should have a mine with enemies in it! CHA-CHING!!#
LOL... never thought of that one. :-D
Despite that, I liked how it developed as a two-man stage play (an apt description  ) and believed Quaid's transformation as Space Moses, even though it ended with the tacked-on showdown, but Petersen had the good sense to cast Brion James as the baddie. I could've sworn that Gossett was nominated for an Oscar for this. I'm not usually into Jarre's electronic stylings, but the synth portion of this score is a grand exception.
Yes to all, Jarre's half synthesizer, half orchestral (in Lawrence of Arabia mood) score was very good. And Brion James is the type of actor you love to hate as baddie.
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I once read the enemy mine story (wounded ape and wounded human) in a 1970s planet of the apes comic.
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Our kind of traitor
2014
Ewan mcgregor, naomie harris play a couple on a weekend break in marrakech and befriend a russian mafia money man who asks them to bring home a memory stick for mi6. The plot moves to rescuing him and his family in a deal to give mi6 russian mafia billions and catch government and banking officials. Plods along ok until the family are secreted away to the alps. No chance of being caught by the russian gangsters until - how many fking times have we seen this...silly daughter rings her boyfriend and the gangsters track phone. Jeez if you were hold out in the wilds you would confiscate and destroy every mobile in the family wouldnt you. Bloody lethal 17 yr old daughters are as dangerous as dim secretaries!!!! Feeble plot hole.
5 out of 10.
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The Girl on the Train
2016
Did anyone get past the first bewildering first ten mins?
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Joan it lost me at The Girl!!!
Different names coming up, different girls, fantasy /fiction blur...one minute she was observing on a train..the next holding a baby in the garden...i was about as bewildered ive ever been. Had to give up. Rare for me to fold so early but it screamed that it was going to be crap.
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UPGRADE
2018
Apparent mugging victim sees his wife killed and is left a quadriplegic. He has a computer chip put in him that then takes over, gives him superhuman strength and sends him on a revenge mission. Cheap budget sci fi that wasnt bad until last 5 mins, which were a bit silly.
6 out of 10.
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