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 Posted:   Mar 26, 2013 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

In a bio about a man visiting England back in the 1920's, he complained about not being able to find a nicely-seared steak. He said the British were more adept at "greying" a piece of meat.

What's he talking about? Is there a tradition of preparing a chop in your parts by some other way than pan-frying?

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2013 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Perhaps boiling or roasting? Or maybe just cooking at a lower temperature so it's grey throughout rather than the searing that leaves it dark on the outside and rare on the inside?

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2013 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

Not entirely sure I'm on the nose with what he was on about - but certainly today, "Greying" meat is the art of hanging and/or ageing.

Don't forget, we also have that funny method of grilling....the rest of the world, you use a grill-pan...we English gotta be feckin' awkward, and put the meat on a tray, which then slides under blue flame...it's a very odd way of cooking.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2013 - 4:47 PM   
 By:   Christopher Kinsinger   (Member)

" put the meat on a tray, which then slides under blue flame"

That's known as "broiling" in the USA.
It doesn't cause meat to look grey.
Actually it's not too much different than grilling...

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2013 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

That's known as "broiling" in the USA.
It doesn't cause meat to look grey.
Actually it's not too much different than grilling...



That's right. It's really the same thing, except the heat's from above instead of below.

That's how I do steaks during the times of the year that barbequeing isn't possible. Put some tenderloin on a small rack (that sits on a pan for catching drips). Get it up as close to the element as possible. 4 or 5 minutes a side... perfect.
Plus I put a sheet of tin foil (which I throw out afterwards) inside the drippings pan so there is one less pan to wash.
How lazy is that? big grin

God, I love a good steak.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2013 - 8:58 PM   
 By:   Christopher Kinsinger   (Member)

" I put a sheet of tin foil (which I throw out afterwards) inside the drippings pan so there is one less pan to wash. How lazy is that?"

I don't call that lazy, Octoberman.
I call it SMART!

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 2:18 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

I wonder, does the horsemeat reportedly in common use now in Europe "grey" any differently than the beef?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

I make sure my steak is aired out of the fridge for about 10 minutes before being seasoned. This has the effect of letting a lot of the blood drain away and the streaks becoming grey so perhaps that is what your friend meant? It doesn't look as attractive as the classic raw red meat but it is the recommended way of cooking it.


Then I fry it (in either a very small amount of olive oilmor sometimes garlic butter) for 1 minute per side to seal it and then cook it for the rest of the time depending on how people want it.

And then the key thing is to rest the steak on a hot plate for a few minutes before serving. This way the excess blood drains away.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

Perhaps boiling or roasting? Or maybe just cooking at a lower temperature so it's grey throughout rather than the searing that leaves it dark on the outside and rare on the inside?

I'm wondering if this might be it. British cooking had a stigma/stereotype attached to it of, I think, overboiling vegetables at the early part of the 20th century (see SABOTAGE with Oscar Homolka), so I wonder if this is what happened to meat, too.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Perhaps boiling or roasting? Or maybe just cooking at a lower temperature so it's grey throughout rather than the searing that leaves it dark on the outside and rare on the inside?

I'm wondering if this might be it. British cooking had a stigma/stereotype attached to it of, I think, overboiling vegetables at the early part of the 20th century (see SABOTAGE with Oscar Homolka), so I wonder if this is what happened to meat, too.


What's this! The land of the Chili Dog criticizing our cooking smile We may have boiled our sprouts for a couple of days 50 years ago, but we've got the hang of it now. That is the 50% not living on ready meals! I don't have steak very often, so when I do I pay a bit more & buy some gray meat that's been hung for a couple of weeks. You don't have to fry it for very long, it's tender & tastes delicious.

Hanging meat is the same thing as letting wine breath, in that everything tastes better when it's gone off a bit.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

Perhaps boiling or roasting? Or maybe just cooking at a lower temperature so it's grey throughout rather than the searing that leaves it dark on the outside and rare on the inside?

I'm wondering if this might be it. British cooking had a stigma/stereotype attached to it of, I think, overboiling vegetables at the early part of the 20th century (see SABOTAGE with Oscar Homolka), so I wonder if this is what happened to meat, too.


What's this! The land of the Chili Dog criticizing our cooking smile


To our credit we also gave the world Tang smile



and deep fried Twinkies. big grin



 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2023 - 4:24 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

At the end of the seventeenth century [in England], beef, mutton, fowls, pigs, rabbits and pigeons "infallibly" turned up [in people's meals], the mutton underdone and the beef salted for some days before being boiled and then served up besieged "with five or six heaps of cabbage, salted, and swimming in butter." (Henri Misson del Valbourg)

Still true?

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2023 - 10:16 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Roast beef is a common sunday lunch but i cant remember the only time i ever ate salt beef. My local cafe does salt beef sandwiches.

Cabbage we had as a vegetable as a kid, but last time i ate that was at a carvery serving roast dinners.
Roast lamb is nice but again i only ever have it at carvery meals in restaurants.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2023 - 11:22 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)



Cabbage we had as a vegetable as a kid, but last time i ate that was at a carvery serving roast dinners.
Roast lamb is nice but again i only ever have it at carvery meals in restaurants.


My dad does excellent lamb usually a leg or a shoulder ( with roasties, carrot n turnip, Yorksire puds). If we are feeling decadent, then breast of lamb. Possible the favourite/ best ways it's done. However it's is messy as heck.

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2023 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

i cant remember the only time i ever ate salt beef.

It was in 1698. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2023 - 12:28 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

I love all classic Sunday roast meats. I like a nice bit of fat which truly flavours the meat. Trouble is the wife does the shopping and favours either lamb or chicken. The latter if either a) our daughter is over, or b) if she doesn't see a piece cheap enough. I like both enough not to complain. But I do love belly pork .

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2023 - 1:26 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Belly pork , another of my dad specials.
Another - neck of lamb, plenty of bone and very messy but lovely

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2023 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Belly pork , another of my dad specials.


Is that like food sex?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2023 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Belly pork , another of my dad specials.


Is that like food sex?


Well, what he does with it is special. Not exactly sure what, as he sends me out of the kitchen and shuts the door.

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2023 - 5:52 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

I love all classic Sunday roast meats. I like a nice bit of fat which truly flavours the meat. Trouble is the wife does the shopping and favours either lamb or chicken.

Have her fired. big grin

 
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