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A repost here from another thread; can anyone else add something?
BornOfAJackal posted:
Stephen, my understanding is that, since the score was recorded in Paris, the session masters got "lost" when that facility (whatever the hell its name is) got shuttered or demolished. Also, many issues regarding the production of Moonraker were dictated by the desire--not only of Cubby Broccoli but John Barry and others as well--to avoid paying British taxes. Who knows what sort of vengeful deceit might have taken hold of some "operative" related to the production who thought that destroying or concealing production elements was justified considering their tax paranoia.
Stephen Woolston responded:
That's the common understanding, yes, but it's not entirely correct.
First, yes it was recorded in Paris (Davout studios), but the place was not shuttered or demolished, it still exists today. It did have a clear out, though.
Second, the tapes were not left in Paris. They were shipped to the UK in 1979 by Dan Wallin for mixing. (Denham studios, if I recall.) Because the mixing was happening in the UK, Barry couldn't be present.
(Of course, it's always possible the tapes were shipped back to Davout but why would you do that? They were not Davout's property and Davout, whilst clearly having storage, was not set up as a storage library for other companies' use.)
Barry's tax status was different to most of the other 1970's "tax exiles" (such as Roger Moore). Those guys moved out of England to avoid the high taxes of the time but were not in debt to the tax man and were still allowed to work in the UK. In Barry's case, it was different. He left the UK owing the tax man about £100,000. He was not allowed to return at all. That's why he didn't score The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only. (If he'd have been a 'normal' tax exile, I think he would have been able to.)
Scoring was permissible in Paris only because Moonraker was a UK-France co-production. Had it been a UK production (as other Bond films had been), the scoring would have had to be in England and Barry would have been out again.
I remember back in 2003 when Lukas Kendall explained why Moonraker hadn't been done and he said, "The tapes were not in London" and everyone started mis-quoting it as "The Moonraker tapes are lost."
Then Stephane Larouge told the story that Davout had cleared out it's libraries of old tapes. And then everyone started mis-quoting it as "The Moonraker tapes were dumped by Davout".
I thought that too until I learned about the tapes being shipped to England.
The only things that have ever been affirmatively stated (insiders may know more) is:
1. Recorded at Davout
2. Shipped to UK
3. Not stored in same place as Diamonds, etc.
Anything else apart from that is either insider knowledge or people doing sums (and maybe getting their sums wrong).
Cheers
Anything to add? Anyone?
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Mar 16, 2013 - 12:53 PM
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scrapsly
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OK. If the tapes are possibly in England, then what would it take for a normal U.K. citizen (like Stephen Woolston, Geoff Leonard, etc) to find out about their location? For research sake, I am sure some of these studios would grant permission to at least search and see if these tapes actually still exist. A good letter of recommendation usually does it where I live, but I don't know how these things work in England. Anyone?
Alex
P.S: Yes, even though an expanded release would still be difficult if the tapes were found, at least we would have the peace of mind that they exist in good condition!
Great idea Alex ! Any of the guys from England have any spare time lol ??? It would probably be a long shot that any studio would let anyone look unless they thought money was at stake, but all they could do is say no...or maybe HELL NO lol. It couldn't hurt to ask. Seriously, I (and many others) would love to really know if the original Moonraker session tapes are truly lost or just hopefully misplaced !
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I'd like to believe that if the tapes existed, they've been found by now. If not, all possible attempts to search by many different parties turned up nothing.
Either way, given the many interests involved in film music these days I'm sure the best attepts to locate the tape have been made.
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I assume that this must have been sorted out later as Barry did return.
Barry was a tax exile and could only be in the UK for 30 days out of a year.
Did this apply until he died? I don't want to be off topic, but I had never heard about this situation before.
Alex
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John Barry's tax situation was sorted out in the early 80s and he scored Octopussy in London in 1983. Also that year he bought a new house in Cadogan Square, the one seen in Skyfall.
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Finding out what exactly happened to these would be great, but I assume the labels have spent ages trying to track them down. I hate to say it, but I've just come to accept we're probably never going to get this. I'm just happy we got the re-issue of the original album at least.
Still, I keep my fingers crossed behind my back in hopes that one day a more complete release will pop up.
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A few questions:
a.) How much of the score is not on the soundtrack release EXACTLY
Anyone done a break down?
b.) If the masters are lost and what about the written score?
If the studio doesn't have it the Barry Estate very likely would, just RE-RECORD the damned thing with James Fitzpatrick,Nic Raine and the COPP and license title songs from EMI (I'm sure they'll be open at this point to taking your money) or just do a new recording Dame Shirley or get someone else to do it and get David Arnold to produce it, I suspect he'd be open to it.
All you need do is WRITE THE CHECK and have it clear the bank.
This one might even make you a few dollars at the end of the day and you'd own it as well.
Just a thought if the music matters more to you then THE SOUNDTRACK RECORDING.
Ford A. Thaxton
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