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 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Since I'm sure some people at Varese (and at least Michael Mattesino and Nick Redman, who work with them a lot) read this board, I thought I would start a discussion/vote for what titles Varese controls in perpetuity we'd all like to see them release Deluxe Editions for (hopefully remastered and complete, ie. not DEs like The Matrix).

What say you all? There are a lot of great scores Varese released in the 90s (including older scores) which we can only get (legal) complete editions of from them. They must be listening some because ever since Die Hard 2 DE, our wish lists have been slowly but steadily shrinking as they Deluxify more and more of their perpetuity titles. Here's my list:

Barry: Year of the Comet (unused)

Beltrami: Terminator 3

Bernstein: The Field, Frankie Starlight, and Wild Wild West!

Debney: Dragonfly, The Scorpion King, Sudden Death, Paulie (a lot of this great and overlooked score is unreleased)

Delerue: Black Robe, Man Trouble, A Show of Force, Rich in Love...

Doyle: Carlito's Way, all the way!

Eidelman: Now and Then, A Simple Twist of Fate, Free Willy 3 (hopefully in a Karate Kid style box set with complete releases for the two great Poledouris scores as well), Triumph of the Spirit (really needs improved sound), Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, and most of all Christopher Columbus: The Discovery (his longest, most epic score and his magnum opus if he's got one!)

Elfman: Real Steel and Pee-Wee's Big Adventure (a reissue with the complete original score and the rerecording remastered would be nice)

Fenton: Final Analysis

Goldenthal: Demolition Man...and most of all, SPHERE!

Goldsmith: Medicine Man, Matinee, Rudy, Angie, The 13th Warrior (perhaps with Revell's rejected score?), Looney Tunes: Back in Action (with all of the music *everyone* wrote for the film so that the album actually has a finish!), the Flint scores, The Other...Ah, who am I kidding, I'd buy ANY complete Goldsmith releases, even Mr. Baseball!

Holdridge: Mists of Avalon

Horner: Brainstorm (complete original recording; Varese still controls this because of the re-recording they commissioned and released)

Howard: The Sixth Sense, Peter Pan, The Happening

Jones: Merlin

Kaczmarek: Bliss, Unfaithful

Kamen: The Iron Giant (if there's anything left to be released from it, my favorite Kamen score)

Mancini: Switch

McNeely: Terminal Velocity, Gold Diggers, Soldier

Powell: Paycheck, X-Men III: The Last Stand

Poledouris: Hot Shots Part Deux, For Love of the Game, It's My Party

Preisner: The Secret Garden (so much of this great score is unreleased!)

Raksin: Forever Amber (arguably his greatest score)

Revell: Power Rangers (1995)

Rozsa: Eye of the Needle (complete original recording; Varese still controls this because of the re-recording they commissioned and released)

Silvestri: Mouse Hunt, The Quick and the Dead

Shore: M Butterfly, The Fly (assuming they still control it...and why not throw in Chris Young's The Fly 2, complete and remastered)

Walker: Memoirs of an Invisible Man

Williams: Presumed Innocent

C. Young: The Dark Half

I know that's a lot, but it's really just a start. What scores (either ones I've mentioned or ones I haven't) would you be most likely to buy? Let's let Varese know that they're sitting on a goldmine so they should start getting some of this stuff out to us!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

Looking at that list then top of my wishlist would be

Starship Troopers
Predator 2
Star Trek Nemesis
Air Force One
Dead Again
Rudy
Quick and the Dead
Back to the Future 3

Of course we have been wishing for most of these titles for what? 10 years plus and Varese have shown no sign of listening. Yes Die Hard 2 was a great release and hopefully is a sign of things to come. But this is Varese..... I'm not holding out hope, or my breath.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   propinquity   (Member)

Do Williams' Dracula, Jaws 2 and The Eiger Sanction fall under the "in perpetuity" list? I'm surprised that, if they are available, none of the other labels have jumped on them.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   Bernardo Sena   (Member)

I just wish for a new release of the beautiful soundtrack of Hope and Glory and deluxe releases of Predator 2 and Sphere.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Do Williams' Dracula, Jaws 2 and The Eiger Sanction fall under the "in perpetuity" list? I'm surprised that, if they are available, none of the other labels have jumped on them.

I think it was agreed here that they weren't. They licensed the recordings from MCA records for a first time CD release. There's no reason why MCA would give them, in perpetuity rights. I think the reason they haven't been re-released is that things have moved on, & people expect the original score (as well as the album), esp. now Universal license out their scores.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Do Williams' Dracula, Jaws 2 and The Eiger Sanction fall under the "in perpetuity" list? I'm surprised that, if they are available, none of the other labels have jumped on them.

I'm not positive but I don't think so. I don't know why they haven't been jumped on yet but there may be other issues at stake.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

The 'issues' might be John Williams himself, since it's been reported he has nixed a release of SUGARLAND EXPRESS and edited the HOOK expansion down, excising music and demos some fans would love to hear.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=86092&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yeah, I know about that list and it's helpful to include here, but it only has 16 confirmed titles in perpetuity and 20 suspected ones listed. Also, I started this new thread as more of a wishlist directed at Varese, which that other thread really isn't exactly. And I for one wouldn't mind *new* DEs of the first and third Omen scores or The Matrix, but I really doubt Varese will give any titles a *second* Deluxe Edition pass...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

What about Georges Delerue's A SHOW OF FORCE (1990)? It was released on the Varese owned Coliseum label.

Delerue wrote over an hour of music and the current album only has 34 minutes.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 7:06 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

I'm chomping at the bit for:

Starship Troopers
RoboCop3
Predator 2
Star Trek: Nemesis
RoboCop 2

They dropped a hint about upcoming big things when they released their last batch last year so I think big things are coming. Look at how many of the last batch were expansions of old releases/re-releases. They know what they're doing. They've just got their hands full with modern scores.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 7:10 PM   
 By:   Buscemi   (Member)

I would love for an expanded The Mists of Avalon. There's probably enough material for a 2-3 disc release.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 7:41 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

I'm chomping at the bit for:

Starship Troopers
RoboCop3
Predator 2
Star Trek: Nemesis
RoboCop 2

They dropped a hint about upcoming big things when they released their last batch last year so I think big things are coming. Look at how many of the last batch were expansions of old releases/re-releases. They know what they're doing. They've just got their hands full with modern scores.



Me too! As far as dropping hints, I believe this was the operative phrase in the Die Hard 2 announcement:

"We are on the cusp of beginning our 35th anniversary celebrations for 2013 but thought we’d get the party started early with this special release of a Kamen classic."

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 8:07 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

What's funny about this thread is, basically what you are all saying is, release ALL of these in expanded or for another run, lol.

How do we know these OFFICIALLY lie with VS? I don't work there, I guess one of you two may smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 11:21 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Re: JW's clout. I can see The Sugarland Express, but Jaws? Shouldn't that be too big? On the other hand, it might explain why Jaws 3-D (Alan Parker) had no trouble.

Not a bad guess, though the resistance would be curious.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2013 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

What about Georges Delerue's A SHOW OF FORCE (1990)? It was released on the Varese owned Coliseum label.

Delerue wrote over an hour of music and the current album only has 34 minutes.


That's a great idea Maleficio, and I'm sorry I forgot Delerue! After all Varese released most of his final American scores, including his final score, Rich in Love (LESS than 28 minutes on their album!)

Another composer I overlooked was Joel McNeely (ie. fun scores like Iron Will and Gold Diggers...)

Any other composers I missed that people can think of?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2013 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

Another composer I overlooked was Joel McNeely (ie. fun scores like Iron Will and Gold Diggers...)

Don't forget Soldier!

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2013 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

You're right, and also Terminal Velocity!

Oh and by Delerue: Black Robe!

I think they also put out some worthy George Fenton scores in the early 90s...

And for something completely different, how about a complete and remastered Army of Darkness (LoDuca with Elfman)?

Fairly complete list of Varese titles here (just remember to look for ones to new films from '89/'90 onwards):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varese_Sarabande#VC_.2F_VX_Series

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I updated the first post in this thread because Varese has actually given us expanded (complete?) versions of two excellent scores they hold rights to in perpetuity: Barry's Peggy Sue Got Married and Silvestri's Predator 2!

Now we can only hope they do more of these on a more regular basis...still, let's be grateful for what we have, right? (Now...shall we all start chanting "Starship Troopers" in ever thread since it worked with Predator 2?) smile

Yavar

P.S. I'm must confess I'm a little disappointed there was no expanded Fedora. I'm not sure what if anything is missing but I do know for a fact they chose not to release the (surviving) film tracks to Rozsa's Eye of the Needle and simply decided to reissue their earlier album (a rerecording) for that...this feels a little similar and I want some Rozsa Deluxe Editions, dangit!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

I'd welcome many a handful of those you listed, but with today's Predator 2, my top 3 major wishlist of DE's is down to 2.

Terminal Velocity and Demolition Man. Everything else is just gravy.

 
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