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 Posted:   Jan 8, 2013 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Who else here besides me desperately wants a new and improved Music of Star Trek? Jeff's old volume still has a place of honor on my shelf but it was written so many years ago that it's woefully out of date, and the author himself has acknowledged that it contains a lot of errors that working the past several years of Star Trek music releases has brought to his attention.

To add to the existing interviews in the first edition, there's all the interview material recently uncovered for the Star Trek: TOS box set, plus a new composer to interview: Michael Giacchino! (And heck, I wouldn't mind a new interview with Gerald Fried, the only still living composer who worked on the original series -- perhaps he can give some insight into the new arrangement of his Trek themes which is available for download and which he performed live in L.A. just a few months ago...)

The old edition also featured a lot of cue sheets with info for some tracked episodes. In the gargantuan thread here, a lot of people were asking about making the complete cue sheets available for download to accompany the TOS music box release, but Lukas replied saying it really wasn't very feasible. But for a *book* maybe it would be! Say, with other bonus features (audio/video interviews?) on an attached DVD or CD-Rom so as to not up the printing costs.

I'm not in a crazy rush to get this but I think Jeff should start working on it and find a publisher. smile I think perfect timing for its release would be with the third (and final?) Abramsverse film when it eventually comes out -- the cast was signed to three films minimum if I'm not mistaken. That way it can get the maximum exposure and attention and be the most up to date, since by that point all of the complete Trek feature scores will probably be out (with the exception of Giacchino's third) plus a slew of TV music releases.

Also, I for one would love to have this book in HARDCOVER! Here's Jeff's chance to compete with his own fancy Elfman/Burton book as well as Doug Adams' Music of the Lord of the Rings Films. I for one think Star Trek's music deserves a presentation on that level.

Who's with me? I think if there was a market for this back in the late 90s, there's probably even more interest now what with all of the definitive music releases, Blu-Ray releases, and Star Trek actually being COOL to the general public thanks to J.J. Abrams!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2013 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Who else here besides me desperately wants a new and improved Music of Star Trek?

1) I thought this was an announcement, darn you.
2) Heck yeah.
3) I think that Lukas had indicated that the cue sheets were Paramount internal property or some such and therefore not LLL's to include. AND it would not be feasible due to size. But not just that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2013 - 3:07 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Crap. Yeah thought this might have been an announcement as well.

But a revised version, oh yeah bring it on

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2013 - 3:08 PM   
 By:   ST-321   (Member)

I would buy it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2013 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

I would buy it.
Me too

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2013 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Me too but only after he gives me the original reel-to-reel of the now late great F. Steiner's A Hundred Yards Over the Rim. And his scoring of Edith Keeler's "Out of Place" moment...wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2013 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

I also thought this was an announcement at first!

Anyway, should this happen, I'm in. smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2013 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


3) I think that Lukas had indicated that the cue sheets were Paramount internal property or some such and therefore not LLL's to include. AND it would not be feasible due to size. But not just that.


Yeah, so maybe it wasn't worth the trouble to include with LLL's box set, but it would be more relevant to include in a book about Star Trek music, and clearly the "internal property" problem did not prevent a number of cue sheets from being included in the first edition of the book, so I suspect for this project it would be feasible. The size issue would be solved by including a PDF on the accompanying DVD or CD-ROM as I suggested...after all Doug Adam's LotR music book got something similar (not cue sheets; the "bonus disc")

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2013 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I was only able to include the cue sheet info in the original book because I retyped each of the sheets represented. If any of you want to volunteer to retype all 80 (and correct all their inaccuracies) we can talk about putting out another edition in a few years when you're done. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2013 - 4:50 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Can a cue sheet, which is just a list of facts, actually be copyrighted? Obviously a picture of the original ones could be, but the actual info (as implied by Jeff's post above me) should be free for anyone to use.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2013 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Can a cue sheet, which is just a list of facts, actually be copyrighted? Obviously a picture of the original ones could be, but the actual info (as implied by Jeff's post above me) should be free for anyone to use.

It's not up for debate, this is simply a fact of the TV and film business.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2013 - 5:40 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

I was only able to include the cue sheet info in the original book because I retyped each of the sheets represented. If any of you want to volunteer to retype all 80 (and correct all their inaccuracies) we can talk about putting out another edition in a few years when you're done. smile


I'm willing to do that smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2013 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I was only able to include the cue sheet info in the original book because I retyped each of the sheets represented. If any of you want to volunteer to retype all 80 (and correct all their inaccuracies) we can talk about putting out another edition in a few years when you're done. smile


I'm willing to do that smile


You can give five people sixteen episodes each. I'm sure I could type up Balance of Terror from a sheet a lot faster than I can go through all the cues to re-create the list. Including double checking for accuracy.

Sign me up! Now you just need three more people!

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2013 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

I was only able to include the cue sheet info in the original book because I retyped each of the sheets represented. If any of you want to volunteer to retype all 80 (and correct all their inaccuracies) we can talk about putting out another edition in a few years when you're done. smile

Shucks I thought this was an announcement dang it! Anyway I wouldnt mind typing 80 pages if it gets the book out! Im crazy enough to do it. smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2013 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Can a cue sheet, which is just a list of facts, actually be copyrighted? Obviously a picture of the original ones could be, but the actual info (as implied by Jeff's post above me) should be free for anyone to use.

By that argument, you could say that just typing out and selling all the dialogue and action from an episode -- just the facts of what appeared on television -- could not be copyrighted. But scripts certainly are copyrighted.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2013 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


It's not up for debate, this is simply a fact of the TV and film business.


That doesn't answer the question at all.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2013 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


By that argument, you could say that just typing out and selling all the dialogue and action from an episode -- just the facts of what appeared on television -- could not be copyrighted. But scripts certainly are copyrighted.


Not at all. A script is a creative work. I guess since the titles are named there's creativity, so perhaps that's where it comes in, but there's a big difference between an observable list of facts and a script.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2013 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)


By that argument, you could say that just typing out and selling all the dialogue and action from an episode -- just the facts of what appeared on television -- could not be copyrighted. But scripts certainly are copyrighted.


Not at all. A script is a creative work. I guess since the titles are named there's creativity, so perhaps that's where it comes in, but there's a big difference between an observable list of facts and a script.


Look, copyright law is very complicated, especially these days where corporations are claiming copyright on the shapes of buildings (if you show the Flatiron Building, they want you to pay for it). But you could well say that a transcript typed of the dialogue and action you saw on television is simply "an observable list of facts." The use of music in an episode is a creative decision, made by directors, producers, and music editors. I'm not saying I'd make that claim, but I do get it.

Titles, in fact, are not copyrightable. You are free to reference a song by title in a movie or television show without any payment. You just cannot sing it or speak any lyrics (past the title).

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2013 - 6:23 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

No discussion or elaboration here on this board is going to make any difference about copyright law in TV & Film. Even if a full page detailed explanation was posted, someone here is going to decide it doesn't make sense to them and keep complaining, which is asinine. Let's just deal with the realities of the industry as they are and move on.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2013 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   JimZipCode   (Member)

Who cares about "copyright", the studio wants them respected as internal property, that's fine. No one wants to turn the relationship adversarial. If they don't want them reproduced directly, but are willing to have the relevant info copied off of them, that's more than fine.

I'd be happy to type up the 80 cue sheets! :-) Or pitch in and do my assigned 16. Send them on over. (Can "Omega Glory" be in my stack?)

But Jeff, I think you will have to spot the inaccuracies – I don't think most of us have the requisite knowledge.

 
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