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I think we should have a place where we can post all the scores that Varese is known to have perpetuity rights to in one place. This is what I've compiled so far from the posts in this thread: Not Yet Expanded and CONFIRMED to have perpetuity rights: Danny Elfman - 1985 - Pee-wee's Big Adventure [6] Jerry Goldsmith - 1966 - Our Man Flint [12] Jerry Goldsmith - 1967 - In Like Flint [12] Jerry Goldsmith - 1971 - The Mephisto Waltz [6] Bernard Herrmann - 1947 - The Ghost and Mrs Muir [6] Bernard Herrmann - Anna and the King of Siam Bernard Herrmann - A Hatful of Rain Bernard Herrmann - Garden of Evil Bernard Herrmann - King of the Khyber Rifles Bernard Herrmann - Prince of Players Bernard Herrmann - The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit Bernard Herrmann - Tender is the Night James Horner - 1983 - Brainstorm [6] David Raksin - 1947 - Forever Amber [11] Laurence Rosenthal - 1978 - Brass Target [6] Marc Shaiman - 1993 - Addams Family Values [8] Alan Silvestri - 1995 - The Quick And The Dead [1] Shirley Walker - 1992 - Memoirs of an Invisible Man [3] Not Yet Expanded and ASSUMED to have perpetuity rights (pre-July 2005): Marco Beltrami - 1998 - Halloween H20 Marco Beltrami - 1999 - Minus Man Marco Beltrami - 2000 - The Watcher Marco Beltrami - 2001 - Joy Ride Marco Beltrami - 2002 - Blade II Marco Beltrami - 2003 - Terminator 3 Marco Beltrami - 2004 - Flight of the Phoenix Marco Beltrami - 2004 - Hellboy Marco Beltrami - 2004 - I Robot John Debney - Bruce Almighty Randy Edelman - My Cousin Vinny Danny Elfman - 1986 - Wisdom Danny Elfman - 1992 - Article 99 Danny Elfman - 1995 - To Die For Danny Elfman - 1996 - Extreme Measures Danny Elfman - 1999 - Instinct Danny Elfman - 2000 - Proof of Life Elliot Goldenthal - 1993 - Demolition Man Elliot Goldenthal - 1994 - Golden Gate Elliot Goldenthal - 1998 - Sphere Elliot Goldenthal - 1999 - In Dreams Elliot Goldenthal - 2003 - SWAT Jerry Goldsmith - 1992 - Medicine Man Jerry Goldsmith - 1992 - Mom and Dad Save The World Jerry Goldsmith - 1992 - Mr. Baseball Jerry Goldsmith - 1993 - Malice Jerry Goldsmith - 1994 - Angie Jerry Goldsmith - 1997 - Fierce Creatures Jerry Goldsmith - 1999 - 13th Warrior Jerry Goldsmith - 2003 - Timeline Dave Grusin - Heaven Can Wait James Newton Howard - 1987 - Five Corners James Newton Howard - 1987 - Russkies James Newton Howard - 1988 - Off Limits James Newton Howard - 1991 - Guilty By Suspicion James Newton Howard - 1992 - Diggstown James Newton Howard - 1993 - Saint of Fort Washington James Newton Howard - 1994 - Junior James Newton Howard - 1995 - Just Cause James Newton Howard - 1998 - A Perfect Murder James Newton Howard - 1999 - The Sixth Sense James Newton Howard - 2000 - Vertical Limit James Newton Howard - 2002 - The Emperor's Club James Newton Howard - 2005 - The Interpreter Trevor Jones - 1988 - Dominick And Eugene Trevor Jones - 1998 - Merlin Trevor Jones - 2001 - From Hell Trevor Jones - 2003 - League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen Michael Kamen - 1987 - Suspect Michael Kamen - 1991 - Hudson Hawk Jan A.P. Kaczmarek - 2002 - Unfaithful Harald Kloser - 2004 - Alien Vs. Predator Joseph LoDuca - 1992 - Army of Darkness David Newman - My Demon Lover Basil Poledouris - 1993 - Hot Shots Part Deux Basil Poledouris - 1996 - It's My Party John Powell - 2001 - Evolution John Powell - 2001 - I Am Sam John Powell - 2001 - Just Visiting John Powell & HGW - 2001 - Shrek John Powell - 2002 - Two Weeks Notice John Powell - 2003 - Gigli John Powell - 2003 - The Italian Job John Powell - 2004 - The Bourne Supremacy John Powell - 2005 - Robots Graeme Revell - Hard Target William Ross - My Dog Skip Marc Shaiman - 1991 - City Slickers Edward Shearmur - 2002 - Reign of Fire Alan Silvestri - 1991 - Father of the Bride Alan Silvestri - 1991 - Ricochet Alan Silvestri - 1994 - Richie Rich Alan Silvestri - 2003 - Identity Hans Zimmer - 1995 - Something To Talk About Not Yet Expanded and ASSUMED to have perpetuity rights (July 2005-present): Marco Beltrami - 2006 - The Omen Marco Beltrami - 2007 - Live Free or Die Hard Marco Beltrami - 2012 - Trouble With The Curve Marco Beltrami - 2013 - Snowpiercer Marco Beltrami - 2014 - The Homesman Marco Beltrami - 2014 - November Man Marco Beltrami - 2014 - Seventh Son Marco Beltrami - 2016 - Gods of Egypt Danny Elfman - 2007 - The Kingdom Danny Elfman - 2008 - Standard Operating Procedure Danny Elfman - 2010 - The Wolfman Danny Elfman - 2011 - Real Steel Michael Giacchino - 2005 - The Family Stone James Newton Howard - 2006 - Freedomland James Newton Howard - 2006 - Blood Diamond James Newton Howard - 2007 - Charlie Wilson's War James Newton Howard - 2007 - The Great Debaters James Newton Howard - 2007 - I Am Legend James Newton Howard - 2007 - Michael Clayton James Newton Howard - 2008 - The Happening James Newton Howard - 2009 - Duplicity James Newton Howard - 2010 - The Tourist James Newton Howard - 2012 - Bourne Legacy John Powell - 2006 - United 93 John Powell - 2006 - X-Men The Last Stand John Powell - 2007 - PS I Love You John Powell - 2008 - Hancock John Powell - 2008 - Horton Hears A Who! John Powell - 2008 - Stop-Loss John Powell - 2009 - Ice Age 3 John Powell - 2010 - Green Zone John Powell - 2010 - Knight and Day John Powell & Hans Zimmer - 2011 - Kung Fu Panda 2 John Powell - 2012 - The Lorax John Powell - 2012 - Ice Age 4 Alan Silvestri - 2006 - Night at the Museum Alan Silvestri - 2009 - GI Joe Rise of the Cobra Alan Silvestri - 2009 - Night At The Museum 2 Alan Silvestri - 2010 - The A-Team Alan Silvestri - 2014 - Night At The Museum 3 Brian Tyler - 2007 - Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem Has now received a Deluxe Edition from Varese: John Barry - 1986 - Peggy Sue Got Married Klaus Badelt - 2002 - The Time Machine Marco Beltrami - 1996 - Scream Marco Beltrami - 1997 - Mimic Marco Beltrami - 1997 - Scream 2 Marco Beltrami - 2000 - Scream 3 Marco Beltrami - 2009 - Knowing Marco Beltrami - 2011 - Scream 4 Charles Bernstein - 1986 - April Fool's Day [9] Elmer Bernstein - 1999 - Wild Wild West Carter Burwell - 1984 - Blood Simple John Carpenter & Dave Davies - 1995 - Village of the Damned Don Davis - 1999 - The Matrix [3] John Debney - 1995 - Sudden Death John Debney - 2003 - Elf Danny Elfman - 1995 - Dolores Claiborne [6] Danny Elfman - 2008 - Hellboy II John Frizzell & JNH - 1997 - Dante's Peak Jerry Goldsmith - 1968 - Planet of the Apes [5] (certain cues only) {Note: in the LLL box set} Jerry Goldsmith - 1971 - Escape From The Planet of the Apes [6] {Note: in the LLL box set} Jerry Goldsmith - 1972 - The Other [11] Jerry Goldsmith - 1976 - The Omen Jerry Goldsmith - 1978 - Damien: Omen II Jerry Goldsmith - 1981 - The Final Conflict Jerry Goldsmith - 1990 - Gremlins 2: The New Batch [3] Jerry Goldsmith - 1992 - Love Field [6] Jerry Goldsmith - 1993 - Rudy Jerry Goldsmith - 1996 - Executive Decision [1] Jerry Goldsmith - 1996 - City Hall Jerry Goldsmith - 1997 - L.A. Confidential Jerry Goldsmith - 1997 - Air Force One [1] Jerry Goldsmith - 1998 - U. S. Marshals Jerry Goldsmith - 1998 - Small Soldiers Jerry Goldsmith - 2001 - Along Came A Spider Jerry Goldsmith - 2002 - Star Trek Nemesis [1] Jerry Goldsmith - 2003 - Looney Tunes: Back In Action James Horner - 1986 - Aliens James Horner - 1988 - Cocoon: The Return James Newton Howard - 1995 - Outbreak James Newton Howard - 2003 - Dreamcatcher Maurice Jarre - 1990 - Almost An Angel Michael Kamen - 1990 - Die Hard 2 [1] Michael Kamen - 1999 - The Iron Giant Clint Mansell - 2005 - Doom David Newman - 2005 - Serenity Randy Newman - 1998 - Pleasantville Basil Poledouris - 1993 - Robocop 3 [4] Basil Poledouris - 1994 - On Deadly Ground Basil Poledouris - 1995 - Under Siege 2 Basil Poledouris - 1997 - Starship Troopers [1] Basil Poledouris - 1999 - For Love Of The Game John Powell - 2002 - The Bourne Identity John Powell - 2003 - Paycheck John Powell - 2010 - How To Train Your Dragon Leonard Rosenman - 1990 - Robocop 2 [4] Miklos Rozsa - 1981 - Eye Of the Needle [2] Alan Silvestri - 1989 - The Abyss [3] Alan Silvestri - 1990 - Back To The Future III [2] Alan Silvestri - 1990 - Predator 2 [1] Alan Silvestri - 1992 - Death Becomes Her Alan Silvestri - 1997 - Volcano [1] Alan Silvestri - 1997 - Mouse Hunt Alan Silvestri - 2000 - What Lies Beneath Alan Silvestri - 2003 - Lara Croft Tomb Raider 2 The Cradle of Life W.G. 'Snuffy' Walden - 1994 - The Stand John Williams - 1975 - The Cowboys [7] John Williams - 1990 - Stanley & Iris John Williams - 1990 - Presumed Innocent It turns out Varese did not have perpetuity rights Jay Chattaway - 1985 - Silver Bullet - 2023 Intrada Patrick Doyle - 1991 - Dead Again - 2014 La-La Land Elliot Goldenthal - 1989 - Pet Semetary - 2013 La-La Land Jerry Goldsmith - 1989 - The Burbs - 2022 La-La Land Jerry Goldsmith - 1990 - Total Recall - 2015 Quartet Jerry Goldsmith - 1992 - Basic Instinct - 2015 Quartet Jerry Goldsmith - 1993 - Matinee - 2022 Intrada Jerry Goldsmith - 2000 - Hollow Man - 2022 Intrada James Newton Howard - 2003 - Peter Pan - 2023 Intrada Mark Isham - 1992 - Cool World - 2015 Quartet Mark Isham - 1993 - Fire In The Sky - 2022 La-La Land Maurice Jarre - 1984 - Top Secret![10] - 2022 La-La Land Joel McNeely - 1994 - Iron Will - 2019 Intrada Thomas Newman - 1993 - Flesh and Bone - 2022 La-La Land Marc Shaiman - 1996 - First Wives Club - 2022 La-La Land Alan Silvestri - 1991 - Soap Dish - 2015 Quartet Hans Zimmer - 1994 - Drop Zone - 2021 Quartet Sources: [1] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, from thread http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=75146&forumID=1&archive=0 [2] = Roger Feigelson, Intrada, email [3] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, email [4] = Roger Feigelson, Intrada, from thread http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=38441#p38441 - Reconfirmed by MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, in this very thread [5] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, this very thread [6] = Within this thread [7] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, from thread http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=97236&forumID=1&archive=0 [8] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, from thread http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=103967&forumID=1&archive=0 [9] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, from thread http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&threadID=67395&archive=0 [10] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, from thread http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=104341&forumID=1&archive=0 [11] = Bruce Kimmel, as reported by Yavar Moradi later in this thread [12] = Roger Feigelson, as reported by Yavar Moradi later in this thread
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oh this is too sad to look at...
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Thanks Doug! Anybody know about these late 90s titles released around the same time as other ones we know they have in perpetuity? Dante's Peak - John Frizzell Mouse Hunt - Alan Silvestri Sphere - Elliot Goldenthal U. S. Marshals - Jerry Goldsmith Merlin - Trevor Jones Small Soldiers - Jerry Goldsmith The Matrix - Don Davis The Sixth Sense - James Newton Howard The Iron Giant - Michael Kamen Does anybody know if they have perpetuity rights for these older scores that got the pre-club unlimited Deluxe Edition treatment? Total Recall - The Deluxe Edition - Jerry Goldsmith Aliens - The Deluxe Edition - James Horner The Omen - The Deluxe Edition - Jerry Goldsmith Damien: Omen II - The Deluxe Edition - Jerry Goldsmith The Final Conflict - The Deluxe Edition - Jerry Goldsmith
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Miklos Rozsa - EYE OF THE NEEDLE (1981) - OST which Varese have never released. Source: Roger Feigelson, Intrada. Has been released on the elder Varese Club releases (as twofer with "Last embrace")
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In addition to number 3, "RoboCop 2" is another title Varese has in perpetuity.
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Things from the 80's on wards are meerly "expanded" single CDs. We got lucky with Star Trek (2009) but at the same time he screwed up on that release. Where to begin? Do any of these scores warrant anything more than an 80 minute release? Let's take an example of a 'merely expanded' score such as Total Recall. Is any noteworthy music missing from that particular CD? Would a longer release be that much better? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for longer releases, but to suggest that something that is practically doubled in length is 'merely expanded' seems a triffle fanboyish to say to. And releasing a double CD of Star Trek doesn't seem such screw up to me. Just my opinion of course. Robert Townson is doing a fine job at Varese and even the most superficial glance at his work attests to that. We should all be lucky enough to have presided over any of his 'screw ups'. Fanboys!
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post edited because I misread a post wrong.
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"Titles I don't feel need to be expanded", but please don't do so in this thread. Thank you. Didn't say that! Please do not put words in my mouth and please don't boss me around. It's unbecoming. Edit: Please disregard my comments since the confusion was subsequently cleared up.
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