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 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

I think we should have a place where we can post all the scores that Varese is known to have perpetuity rights to in one place.

This is what I've compiled so far from the posts in this thread:

Not Yet Expanded and CONFIRMED to have perpetuity rights:
Charles Bernstein - 1986 - April Fool's Day [9]
Danny Elfman - 1985 - Pee-wee's Big Adventure [6]
Jerry Goldsmith - 1966 - Our Man Flint [12]
Jerry Goldsmith - 1967 - In Like Flint [12]
Jerry Goldsmith - 1971 - The Mephisto Waltz [6]
Jerry Goldsmith - 1972 - The Other [11]
Bernard Herrmann - 1947 - The Ghost and Mrs Muir [6]
James Horner - 1983 - Brainstorm [6]
David Raksin - 1947 - Forever Amber [11]
Laurence Rosenthal - 1978 - Brass Target [6]
Miklos Rozsa - 1981 - Eye Of the Needle [2]
Marc Shaiman - 1993 - Addams Family Values [8]
Alan Silvestri - 1995 - The Quick And The Dead [1]
Shirley Walker - 1992 - Memoirs of an Invisible Man [3]
John Williams - 1990 - Presumed Innocent

Not Yet Expanded and ASSUMED to have perpetuity rights:
Marco Beltrami - 1998 - Halloween H20
Marco Beltrami - 1999 - Minus Man
Marco Beltrami - 2000 - The Watcher
Marco Beltrami - 2001 - Joy Ride
Marco Beltrami - 2002 - Blade II
Marco Beltrami - 2003 - Terminator 3
Marco Beltrami - 2004 - Flight of the Phoenix
Marco Beltrami - 2004 - Hellboy
Marco Beltrami - 2004 - I Robot
Marco Beltrami - 2006 - The Omen
Marco Beltrami - 2007 - Live Free or Die Hard
Marco Beltrami - 2012 - Trouble With The Curve
Marco Beltrami - 2013 - Snowpiercer
Marco Beltrami - 2014 - The Homesman
Marco Beltrami - 2014 - November Man
Marco Beltrami - 2014 - Seventh Son
Marco Beltrami - 2016 - Gods of Egypt
Danny Elfman - 1986 - Wisdom
Danny Elfman - 1992 - Article 99
Danny Elfman - 1995 - To Die For
Danny Elfman - 1996 - Extreme Measures
Danny Elfman - 1999 - Instinct
Danny Elfman - 2000 - Proof of Life
Danny Elfman - 2007 - The Kingdom
Danny Elfman - 2008 - Standard Operating Procedure
Danny Elfman - 2008 - Hellboy II
Danny Elfman - 2010 - The Wolfman
Danny Elfman - 2011 - Real Steel
Elliot Goldenthal - 1993 - Demolition Man
Elliot Goldenthal - 1994 - Golden Gate
Elliot Goldenthal - 1998 - Sphere
Elliot Goldenthal - 1999 - In Dreams
Elliot Goldenthal - 2003 - SWAT
Jerry Goldsmith - 1992 - Medicine Man
Jerry Goldsmith - 1992 - Mom and Dad Save The World
Jerry Goldsmith - 1992 - Mr. Baseball
Jerry Goldsmith - 1993 - Malice
Jerry Goldsmith - 1993 - Matinee
Jerry Goldsmith - 1993 - Rudy
Jerry Goldsmith - 1993 - Vanishing
Jerry Goldsmith - 1996 - City Hall
Jerry Goldsmith - 1997 - Fierce Creatures
Jerry Goldsmith - 1999 - 13th Warrior
Jerry Goldsmith - 2000 - Hollow Man
Jerry Goldsmith - 2003 - Timeline
Bernard Herrmann - Anna and the King of Siam
Bernard Herrmann - A Hatful of Rain
Bernard Herrmann - Garden of Evil
Bernard Herrmann - King of the Khyber Rifles
Bernard Herrmann - Prince of Players
Bernard Herrmann - The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit
Bernard Herrmann - Tender is the Night
James Newton Howard - 1987 - Five Corners
James Newton Howard - 1987 - Russkies
James Newton Howard - 1988 - Off Limits
James Newton Howard - 1991 - Guilty By Suspicion
James Newton Howard - 1992 - Diggstown
James Newton Howard - 1993 - Saint of Fort Washington
James Newton Howard - 1994 - Junior
James Newton Howard - 1995 - Just Cause
James Newton Howard - 1998 - A Perfect Murder
James Newton Howard - 1999 - The Sixth Sense
James Newton Howard - 2000 - Vertical Limit
James Newton Howard - 2003 - Peter Pan
James Newton Howard - 2005 - Freedomland
James Newton Howard - 2005 - The Interpreter
James Newton Howard - 2006 - Blood Diamond
James Newton Howard - 2007 - Charlie Wilson's War
James Newton Howard - 2007 - The Great Debaters
James Newton Howard - 2007 - I Am Legend
James Newton Howard - 2007 - Michael Clayton
James Newton Howard - 2008 - The Happening
James Newton Howard - 2009 - Duplicity
James Newton Howard - 2010 - The Tourist
James Newton Howard - 2012 - Bourne Legacy
Trevor Jones - 1988 - Dominick And Eugene
Trevor Jones - 1998 - Merlin
Trevor Jones - 2001 - From Hell
Trevor Jones - 2003 - League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen
Michael Kamen - 1987 - Suspect
Michael Kamen - 1991 - Hudson Hawk
Michael Kamen - 1999 - The Iron Giant
Basil Poledouris - 1993 - Hot Shots Part Deux
Basil Poledouris - 1996 - It's My Party
Basil Poledouris - 1999 - For Love Of The Game
John Powell - 2001 - Evolution
John Powell - 2001 - I Am Sam
John Powell - 2001 - Just Visiting
John Powell & HGW - 2001 - Shrek
John Powell - 2002 - Bourne Identity
John Powell - 2002 - Two Weeks Notice
John Powell - 2003 - Gigli
John Powell - 2003 - The Italian Job
John Powell - 2004 - Bourne Supremacy
John Powell - 2005 - Robots
John Powell - 2006 - United 93
John Powell - 2006 - X-Men The Last Stand
John Powell - 2007 - PS I Love You
John Powell - 2008 - Hancock
John Powell - 2008 - Horton Hears A Who!
John Powell - 2008 - Stop-Loss
John Powell - 2009 - Ice Age 3
John Powell - 2010 - Green Zone
John Powell - 2010 - Knight and Day
John Powell & Hans Zimmer - 2011 - Kung Fu Panda 2
John Powell - 2012 - The Lorax
John Powell - 2012 - Ice Age 4
Edward Shearmur - 2002 - Reign of Fire
Alan Silvestri - 1991 - Father of the Bride
Alan Silvestri - 1991 - Ricochet
Alan Silvestri - 1992 - Death Becomes Her
Alan Silvestri - 1994 - Forest Gump
Alan Silvestri - 1994 - Richie Rich
Alan Silvestri - 1997 - Mouse Hunt
Alan Silvestri - 2000 - What Lies Beneath
Alan Silvestri - 2003 - Identity
Alan Silvestri - 2003 - Tomb Raider 2
Alan Silvestri - 2006 - Night at the Museum
Alan Silvestri - 2009 - GI Joe Rise of the Cobra
Alan Silvestri - 2009 - Night At The Museum 2
Alan Silvestri - 2014 - Night At The Museum 3

Has received an expansion now:
John Barry - 1986 - Peggy Sue Got Married
Marco Beltrami - 1996 - Scream
Marco Beltrami - 1997 - Mimic
Marco Baltrami - 1997 - Scream 2
Marco Baltrami - 2000 - Scream 3
Marco Beltrami - 2009 - Knowing
Marco Baltrami - 2011 - Scream 4
Elmer Bernstein - 1999 - Wild Wild West
John Carpenter & Dave Davies - 1995 - Village of the Damned
Don Davis - 1999 - The Matrix [3]
Danny Elfman - 1995 - Dolores Claiborne [6]
John Frizzell - 1997 - Dante's Peak
Jerry Goldsmith - 1968 - Planet of the Apes [5] (certain cues only) {Note: in the LLL box set}
Jerry Goldsmith - 1971 - Escape From The Planet of the Apes [6] {Note: in the LLL box set}
Jerry Goldsmith - 1976 - The Omen
Jerry Goldsmith - 1978 - Damien: Omen II
Jerry Goldsmith - 1981 - The Final Conflict
Jerry Goldsmith - 1990 - Gremlins 2: The New Batch [3]
Jerry Goldsmith - 1992 - Love Field [6]
Jerry Goldsmith - 1996 - Executive Decision [1]
Jerry Goldsmith - 1997 - Air Force One [1]
Jerry Goldsmith - 1998 - U. S. Marshals
Jerry Goldsmith - 1998 - Small Soldiers
Jerry Goldsmith - 2001 - Along Came A Spider
Jerry Goldsmith - 2002 - Star Trek Nemesis [1]
Jerry Goldsmith - 2003 - Looney Tunes: Back In Action
James Horner - 1986 - Aliens
James Horner - 1988 - Cocoon: The Return
James Newton Howard - 1995 - Outbreak
Maurice Jarre - 1990 - Almost An Angel
Michael Kamen - 1990 - Die Hard 2 [1]
Basil Poledouris - 1993 - Robocop 3 [4]
Basil Poledouris - 1994 - On Deadly Ground
Basil Poledouris - 1995 - Under Siege 2
Basil Poledouris - 1997 - Starship Troopers [1]
John Powell - 2003 - Paycheck
John Powell - 2010 - How To Train Your Dragon
Leonard Rosenman - 1990 - Robocop 2 [4]
Alan Silvestri - 1989 - The Abyss [3]
Alan Silvestri - 1990 - Back To The Future III [2]
Alan Silvestri - 1990 - Predator 2 [1]
Alan Silvestri - 1997 - Volcano [1]
W.G. 'Snuffy' Walden - 1994 - The Stand
John Williams - 1975 - The Cowboys [7]
John Williams - 1990 - Stanley & Iris

Titles that Varese DOES NOT have perpetuity rights to
Patrick Doyle - 1991 - Dead Again - 2014 La-La Land
Jerry Goldsmith - 1990 - Total Recall - 2015 Quartet
Jerry Goldsmith - 1992 - Basic Instinct - 2015 Quartet
Jerry Goldsmith - 1995 - Psycho II [6] - 2014 Intrada
Maurice Jarre - 1984 - Top Secret![10] - 2022 La-La Land
Mark Isham - 1992 - Cool World - 2015 Quartet

Sources:
[1] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, from thread http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=75146&forumID=1&archive=0
[2] = Roger Feigelson, Intrada, email
[3] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, email
[4] = Roger Feigelson, Intrada, from thread http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=38441#p38441 - Reconfirmed by MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, in this very thread
[5] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, this very thread
[6] = Within this thread
[7] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, from thread http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=97236&forumID=1&archive=0
[8] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, from thread http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=103967&forumID=1&archive=0
[9] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, from thread http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&threadID=67395&archive=0
[10] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, from thread http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=104341&forumID=1&archive=0
[11] = Bruce Kimmel, as reported by Yavar Moradi later in this thread
[12] = Roger Feigelson, as reported by Yavar Moradi later in this thread

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 1:09 PM   
 By:   The REAL BJBien   (Member)

oh this is too sad to look at...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   Michaelson   (Member)

Too bad, I was hoping for an Expanded EXECUTIVE DECISION by La La Land.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Miklos Rozsa - EYE OF THE NEEDLE (1981) - OST which Varese have never released.
Source: Roger Feigelson, Intrada.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Thanks Doug!

Anybody know about these late 90s titles released around the same time as other ones we know they have in perpetuity?

Dante's Peak - John Frizzell
Mouse Hunt - Alan Silvestri
Sphere - Elliot Goldenthal
U. S. Marshals - Jerry Goldsmith
Merlin - Trevor Jones
Small Soldiers - Jerry Goldsmith
The Matrix - Don Davis
The Sixth Sense - James Newton Howard
The Iron Giant - Michael Kamen

Does anybody know if they have perpetuity rights for these older scores that got the pre-club unlimited Deluxe Edition treatment?

Total Recall - The Deluxe Edition - Jerry Goldsmith
Aliens - The Deluxe Edition - James Horner
The Omen - The Deluxe Edition - Jerry Goldsmith
Damien: Omen II - The Deluxe Edition - Jerry Goldsmith
The Final Conflict - The Deluxe Edition - Jerry Goldsmith

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Trent B   (Member)

Don't forget Back To The Future Part 3.

If I remember right I emailed Roger about Intrada doing that score and he told me Varése owns the rights in perpetuity.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

I can't say for sure, but I'd bet they have several other Poledouris titles besides STARSHIP TROOPERS in perpetuity...

UNDER SIEGE 2
ON DEADLY GROUND
ROBOCOP 3
HOT SHOTS PART DEUX
FOR LOVE OF THE GAME

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   Dennis Brain   (Member)

Miklos Rozsa - EYE OF THE NEEDLE (1981) - OST which Varese have never released.
Source: Roger Feigelson, Intrada.


Has been released on the elder Varese Club releases (as twofer with "Last embrace")

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 3:08 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I hope 2012 will see more 'fan request' friendly club batches as in all honesty their batches for 2011 IMO were so often overshadowed by the other labels' regular releases. I hope Varese will continue to fullfill the golden age fans' requests, and at the same time consider revisiting these popular 80's and 90's titles. I'm sure if it were up to an intrada or la la, they'd be properly re-released by now.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 3:40 PM   
 By:   richuk   (Member)

I'm very sure that if Varese didn't have these in perpetuity, many of them would have proper releases by now.

I just hope that Townson knows how much demand there is to see these properly* reissued.


* If it needs 2 CDs, give it 2 CDs!

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 3:46 PM   
 By:   Trent B   (Member)

I'm very sure that if Varese didn't have these in perpetuity, many of them would have proper releases by now.

I just hope that Townson knows how much demand there is to see these properly* reissued.


* If it needs 2 CDs, give it 2 CDs!


We both know that he really gives full complete treatments to golden age stuff. Things from the 80's on wards are meerly "expanded" single CDs. We got lucky with Star Trek (2009) but at the same time he screwed up on that release.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

Miklos Rozsa - EYE OF THE NEEDLE (1981) - OST which Varese have never released.
Source: Roger Feigelson, Intrada.
-----------------------------------------------
Has been released on the elder Varese Club releases (as twofer with "Last embrace")


That was the rerecording. The film tracks have never been released.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 4:34 PM   
 By:   Shock-Wave   (Member)

Memoirs of an invisible man by Shirley Walker?

Another 30 min CD. I would like to see an expanded work Varese please.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   TheFamousEccles   (Member)

In addition to number 3, "RoboCop 2" is another title Varese has in perpetuity.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

Twice a year, I send a polite Facebook message or e-mail to Varese requesting some of these titles and I always get the same "I'll forward this to our soundtrack department" reply.

I also wonder whether or not Intrada and/or LLL can enter into some kind of licensing or co-production deal (à la Intrada and Disney) for some of Varese's back catalog.

Either of these labels could work wonders with some of the titles listed above (I dream of a 3-disc Air Force One from LLL with all of the McNeely material and Newman's rejected score).

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 4:39 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Things from the 80's on wards are meerly "expanded" single CDs. We got lucky with Star Trek (2009) but at the same time he screwed up on that release.

Where to begin?

Do any of these scores warrant anything more than an 80 minute release? Let's take an example of a 'merely expanded' score such as Total Recall. Is any noteworthy music missing from that particular CD? Would a longer release be that much better?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for longer releases, but to suggest that something that is practically doubled in length is 'merely expanded' seems a triffle fanboyish to say to.

And releasing a double CD of Star Trek doesn't seem such screw up to me. Just my opinion of course.

Robert Townson is doing a fine job at Varese and even the most superficial glance at his work attests to that. We should all be lucky enough to have presided over any of his 'screw ups'.

Fanboys! roll eyes

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   Trent B   (Member)

Star Trek was screwed up...

Now having no choir in ANY of the cues I can understand if the fees were too high. However, the choir still only remained in "Nero Death Experience" and "End Credits". I think that Townson could have had afford to pay for the choir fees, he just chose not too.

Quite a few cues were micro-edited for no apparent reason too. "Main Titles" (real name Star Trek) was the film version and not the original version Giacchino composed for. Then of course there's the cue "I've Fallen and I Can't Beam Up!" where brass and woodwind overlays were recorded and meant for at the beginning of the cue but Townson used the wrong take for it!

Yes the set was a sell out but at the same time it was a bit half-assed.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

post edited because I misread a post wrong.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

"Titles I don't feel need to be expanded", but please don't do so in this thread. Thank you.

Didn't say that! Please do not put words in my mouth and please don't boss me around. It's unbecoming. big grin

Edit: Please disregard my comments since the confusion was subsequently cleared up.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 6:06 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

I hope 2012 will see more 'fan request' friendly club batches as in all honesty their batches for 2011 IMO were so often overshadowed by the other labels' regular releases

How are Varese's $20 CDs with limited pressings different from other labels' $20 CDs with limited pressings?

 
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