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 Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

Upon hearing of the imminent release of the soundtrack music from FSM of 'Robinson Crusoe on Mars', I recently rented the dvd from Netflix as I'd never heard of the composer before. I watched the film. I've gotta say that (the original book notwithstanding), there is a tremendous amount of subtle, and not-so-subtle homoeroticism in this film. When early on inside the spacecraft, Commander Kit Draper (Paul Mantee) lowers himself (adorably) from an open hatch - upside down - to ask his Colonel (Adam West) : 'What do you want for Dinner?'. It played very cute.
Later on when he discovers 'Friday' and brings him back inside his cave, he takes a look at his new roommate. The camera in close-up pans down Friday's near naked body from his chest down to his feet. As the camera glides, Kit Draper says: 'What do I say to a guy like you?' . Later on, Kit says that 'I'm the boss and you've gotta do what I say'. (Indeed). Further on, he tells the seemingly mute Friday that 'You're going to learn English if I have to sit on your chest'. (indeed again).
Of course, Kit wears only his tight black tee shirt or no shirt throughout the film. There are more segments, but did anyone else pick up on these 'signals'?
Even the FSM Cover art work is...... interesting.



 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)

No, not me personally. I've seen the film 10-15 times over the years and never made that connection, but it could just be a different point of view is all. For instance my take on the POV shot moving down Friday's body is that it would be a natural thing for a human to do in order to inventory the physical make up of his first encounter with an extraterrestrial being. Especially so in comparing his body to ours since it so similar/exact. It would be a common human act of differential or integral analysis done by anyone I would think.

As to the clothes he wears, it was typical of the kit NASA issued at the time, especially in survival training. The skinny dipping is true to what would happen without the need for modesty and social constraints. These are all small things that add up to as realistic a depiction of the situation as possible for the day which I believe was one of the goals of the film makers. To say that it was aknowledged that this was puposefully homoerotic is shear conjecture if it wasn't acknowledged as such from the film makers themselves. If it was then I see the points being made!

My viewpoint comes from being a total space geek growing up in the 60s and living in the NASA-JSC area so I see it with a more scientific and utilitarian slant.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

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 Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

Yes. The film does eroticize the male body -- it is known for that. Especially the nude bathing scene. Homoeroticism, as a critical term, doesn't imply overt sexual behavior -- just an alignment of harmonic overtones. IMHO this film was, is, and always will be homoerotic.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

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 Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 2:34 PM   
 By:   Ebab   (Member)

Really Dave, will you stop at nothing? Next thing you’re telling us is that “Billy Budd” has homoerotic overtones. Sheesh.

Homoeroticism means queens taking it up in the ass. Eroticism always means that sexual acts are performed. Homoeroticism always means that the guy depicted is gay; it can never be the artist’s way of depicting a male body or the interaction of two males. Even in homophobic societies, these things would never be subtly indicated. Besides, there’s never any ambiguity in art, that’s why it’s so interesting. There are never any suggested multiple ways to look at a situation.

I mean, just look at the last couple of thousand years of art – never happened.

What’s next, Dave – Saint Sebastian?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 5:53 PM   
 By:   The Man-Eating Cow   (Member)

There are lots of things that I personally don't find erotic, that other people will.

If someone finds ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS homoerotic, for that person, it is. It's pointless to deny someone their own sexuality; I certainly wouldn't try. I personally find Russ Meyer films heteroerotic; I'm sure Dave wouldn't find it erotic in any sense whatsoever.

That said, I found his posting very entertaining, even enlightening. But then, when I was a kid, I went to those imported peplum films routinely; it never even occurred to me to find them erotic in any way. Personally, I'm glad that many people do find them erotic; a healthy sexuality (gay or straight) can only make someone psychologically healthy.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

All I will say is that Friday had serious Moobs big grin

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

There are lots of things that I personally don't find erotic, that other people will.

If someone finds ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS homoerotic, for that person, it is. It's pointless to deny someone their own sexuality; I certainly wouldn't try. I personally find Russ Meyer films heteroerotic; I'm sure Dave wouldn't find it erotic in any sense whatsoever.



I tend to agree. Though I lean a little more to the attitude that you get out of a movie what you bring to it. I would imagine that in many instances a person may not even be aware that they bring their own subtext to it. I dare say the same can be said for a person's perception of any art form.

PS. Meyer rules.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 6:23 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

There are lots of things that I personally don't find erotic, that other people will.

If someone finds ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS homoerotic, for that person, it is. It's pointless to deny someone their own sexuality; I certainly wouldn't try. I personally find Russ Meyer films heteroerotic; I'm sure Dave wouldn't find it erotic in any sense whatsoever.



I tend to agree. Though I lean a little more to the attitude that you get out of a movie what you bring to it. I would imagine that in many instances a person may not even be aware that they bring their own subtext to it. I dare say the same can be said for a person's perception of any art form.

PS. Meyer rules.


Well put!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   pulliamrl   (Member)

I think women and men who share the "same interests in men" can find overtones that appeal to both.

Everyone else just sees a great story unfolding.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 9:29 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

Where DO people get these ideas about good old manly adventure stories? I mean, really!



 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 9:52 PM   
 By:   Marlene   (Member)

Judging from the pictures & the description: homoerotic.

Just to remind everyone what it means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoeroticism

That´s what I like about movies: everyone can bring something to it and interpret it differently if the movie allows it. Take "Starship Troopers" for example. You can either view it as a stupid gung-ho movie or you can see it as biting irony on the american people. The movie supports both views.

And when "Robinson Crusoe of Mars" was made something like homosexual content had to be hidden. If I would be a screenwriter back then and want to hide it I´d write it that way. Remember "Ben Hur"? The same, even Charlton Heston was unaware of it.

Was Byron Haskin married?

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 3:09 AM   
 By:   Ebab   (Member)

If someone finds ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS homoerotic, for that person, it is. It's pointless to deny someone their own sexuality; I certainly wouldn't try. I personally find Russ Meyer films heteroerotic; I'm sure Dave wouldn't find it erotic in any sense whatsoever.

I think these are two different things. I don’t think gay men have difficulties sensing heteroerotic suggestions or tensions in a movie (in a Russ Meyer film they’re usually not that hard to detect). Just what turns them on may be different.

Of course, part of any movie is one’s own projection of things, so the perception is necessarily different. Still I would say, some things are just there on the screen, they’re even hard to ignore.

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

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 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

No gayer than THESE two...


 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   Ebab   (Member)

yeah...and these guys MUST be gay

It’s a little sad, but if you feel more comfortable reducing this discussion to “who’s gay”, so be it.

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)




LOL
My first thought was... "Ace and Gary"!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

So, with all this discussion about virtually anything with two men being homoerotic, how come no one ever makes the same kind of statement about two women getting all chummy?

It appears that women in our society can be more physically expressive with each other, and no one bats an eye.

But see two men walking down the street, doing anything similar, and immediately everyone assumes they're queer.

Talk about double standards.

I wonder, though, if the mainstream, straight-white-boy-dominated society we live in simply regards women's connections to each other as nothing serious, the way women are still mostly regarded. They can have their little girlfriends, but their serious relationships are with, presumably straight, men.

Even lesbianism is still regarded by many, mostly straight, men as some kind of a phase, a mere detour, as it were, from a woman's real mission, which is to connect with a man. (Of which, interestingly, Anne Heche has been a prime example.)

Something to think about.

As for ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS, I saw it when it first came out, and was impressed by the skinny-dipping, as I'd never seen that in a film before.

Paul Mantee didn't make too many other films, as I recall, but became an acting teacher in L.A., and a published novelist, though I never read any of his work. He died fairly recently.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   Marlene   (Member)



Intentional. Joel Schumacher is gay and thankfully very open about it. Though I´ll never forgive him the nipple-suits and the crap movie they were featured in wink

 
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