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This is a comments thread about Blog Post: Herrmann Centennial Concert Work Series: Symphony No. 1 by Mark Ford
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2011 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

I have never warmed up to this work. As a first and only symphony it is not in the class of Prokofiev, Mahler, Brahms, or even Tchaikovsky.


Wow, music you don't like!?

I'd much rather listen to hundreds of other symphonies over any by Mahler or Brahms (except 1st and 4th respectively), personally.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2011 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   sdtom   (Member)

I was talking about the very first effort in writing a symphony. I do listen all the time and have the Unicorn as well as the Koch recording of the symphony of Herrmann. I like a lot of material but I can't like everything I listen to.
Thomas

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2011 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)

I have never warmed up to this work. As a first and only symphony it is not in the class of Prokofiev, Mahler, Brahms, or even Tchaikovsky.


Wow, music you don't like!?

I'd much rather listen to hundreds of other symphonies over any by Mahler or Brahms (except 1st and 4th respectively), personally.


Ah, Terra, but Mahler rules the roost! I think people can spend a lifetime and not completely reach the complex depths of these amazing symphonies.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2011 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   Guenther K   (Member)

I have never warmed up to this work. As a first and only symphony it is not in the class of Prokofiev, Mahler, Brahms, or even Tchaikovsky.

You've got it backwards - Prokofiev, Mahler, Brahms and Tchaikovksy have never measured to Herrmann's standard!


Ahem... Herrmann would disagree...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2011 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   sdtom   (Member)

I have never warmed up to this work. As a first and only symphony it is not in the class of Prokofiev, Mahler, Brahms, or even Tchaikovsky.

You've got it backwards - Prokofiev, Mahler, Brahms and Tchaikovksy have never measured to Herrmann's standard!


Ahem... Herrmann would disagree...


Thank you so much for your understanding. Mahler's 1st symphony is absolutely incredible, one of the finest pieces of music ever written, something which Herrmann would agree with 100%. The same can be said of Prokofiev's 1st or Classical symphony. Now I will go on record and say that Herrmann did a far better job than Rachmaninoff did on his first attempt which was his Youth Symphony. There is some substance as to what Bernard attempted to do. Some of these first attempts are merely assignments for school.
Thomas

 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2011 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Ahem... Herrmann would disagree...

I'm sorry, are you Mr Herrmann? I didn't know he was on the FSM board, considering he's been dead for over 30 years...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2011 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

it is rather impossible to compare the quality of those works, especially when they were composed and performed and perceived in entirely different circumstances - other times, other places, other society etc. etc. etc.
Very first sinfonies or works are sometimes not as developed in a certain style a composer tends to compose, but that does not necesarily mean they are not as good as the later works.
Examples for brillant first works are Mendelssohn's Midsummernight Dream Overture (18 years old), Mozarts D-Dur Sonata for 4-hand piano (12 years old), and Korngolds first Ballett (I think 11 years old, don't remember the title). There is nothing - n - o - t - h - i - n -g - in those works the majority of people would call weaker than the later works.

There is still the 19th century definition of a musical work in a lot of minds today, especially in american musicology, which sometimes claims to be able to say a certain work is not a masterpiece while other works are masterpieces.
(Of course, there are some criteria...)
But usually when an author claims to give HIS opinion why a work is better or weaker that mostly shows the author's narrow horizon.
That is especially true for people who never composed a piece of music.

 
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