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 Posted:   Aug 3, 2010 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

I just got an e-mail about the new releases from Warner Archive and see AGATHA is on the list.

Unfortunately, it appears they've gone to a "full frame" release. Am I right in assuming this is the wrong aspect ratio for the film?

http://www.wbshop.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-WB-Site/default/Product-Show?pid=1000151927&src=EDWAC&adid=0810aWACNREml

If so, too bad. I really wanted to hear Johnny Mandel's score in the film as I haven't seen it in years.

FYI, imdb lists the film as 1.85 1.


James

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2010 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

I remember having the Johnny Mandell ALBUM to this soundtrack. I wonder why it has never seen a cd release, there's certainly a terrific theme Mandell wrote for this rather 'odd' film. I recall seeing this at The Regency Theater in San Francisco when it opened. And someone seated nearby whispered about how short Dustin Hoffman was in relation to Vanessa Redgrave. I liked this film too much to view it 'full frame'. I'll wait some more. But a cd would certainly be welcomed!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2010 - 4:00 PM   
 By:   Simon Underwood   (Member)

Quick, someone send a copy to David Puttnam...that'll annoy him.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2010 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

I remember having the Johnny Mandell ALBUM to this soundtrack. I wonder why it has never seen a cd release, there's certainly a terrific theme Mandell wrote for this rather 'odd' film. I recall seeing this at The Regency Theater in San Francisco when it opened. And someone seated nearby whispered about how short Dustin Hoffman was in relation to Vanessa Redgrave. I liked this film too much to view it 'full frame'. I'll wait some more. But a cd would certainly be welcomed!

The LP was issued by Casablanca Records and I imagine that if anyone other than Polydor might do a reissue on CD, it'd be Intrada. Unfortunately, I don't think this excellent Johnny Mandel score would sell like a reissue of Alan Silvestri's PREDATOR, so don't hold your breath.

James

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2010 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

dp

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2010 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

This seems highly unlikely. To my knowledge, all of WB Archive's releases are in their original aspect ratio. You might write to their customer service dept. and find out if it's just an error.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2010 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

This seems highly unlikely. To my knowledge, all of WB Archive's releases are in their original aspect ratio. You might write to their customer service dept. and find out if it's just an error.

Well it wouldn't surprise me if it was Full Frame. They did the same thing on THE ABDICATION.

James

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2010 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

the site description currently says 16 x 9 Fullframe, which means letterboxed widescreen, not anamorphic widescreen (at least one of the Universal On-demand dvdrs was in this format). Usually WB are anamorphic, so hopefully it's a typo.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2010 - 4:42 PM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

I have a 16mm print of this that is letterboxed and have seen other prints made the same way. It seems odd that if even the 16mm prints were letterboxed they wouldn't do the same for DVD.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2010 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I have a legit DVD from Germany that is anamorphic and I'm 100% certain that the Warner Archive version will be, too. What a score.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2010 - 8:23 PM   
 By:   Scott Bettencourt   (Member)

I'm sorry to hear that the WB Archive DVD is full-frame, but mostly I'm surprised to see it released at all, because from what I understand there were huge legal troubles regarding the film, apparently due to Dustin Hoffman not getting the control over the film he expected (and was possibly promised -- I don't know the details). From my understanding, this was one of the reasons the LP became hard to find.

This was the first film I ever saw shot by Vittorio Storaro and I remember it being gorgeous, so I'll probably pick it up eventually.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2010 - 8:36 PM   
 By:   Pete Apruzzese   (Member)

Numerous other titles on the archive site say 16x9 full frame and that's what they are - enhanced widescreen 1.85 (1.78) transfers. 'Scope films with enhanced transfers are listed as 16x9 letterbox. Non-enhanced widescreen titles are listed as 4x3 letterbox; Academy ratio titles are listed as 4x3 full frame. My guess is AGATHA will be an enhanced 16x9 transfer.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2010 - 8:56 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

Numerous other titles on the archive site say 16x9 full frame and that's what they are - enhanced widescreen 1.85 (1.78) transfers. 'Scope films with enhanced transfers are listed as 16x9 letterbox. Non-enhanced widescreen titles are listed as 4x3 letterbox; Academy ratio titles are listed as 4x3 full frame. My guess is AGATHA will be an enhanced 16x9 transfer.

I'm going to wait for a review or a clip on the site before I make a purchase.

Thanks for everyone's feedback.

I'm currently watching THE GO-BETWEEN on TCM and the Full Frame version they are showing is driving me nuts.

James

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2010 - 10:05 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)


I'm currently watching THE GO-BETWEEN on TCM and the Full Frame version they are showing is driving me nuts.

James


I've become so spoiled by TCM's usual pattern of running films in their orig aspect ratios, so that when they DON'T, I'm just outraged! How can they do that?! Have they lost their minds? heh. doesn't happen all that often, but I don't understand why it happens at all on a channel of TCM's caliber.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2010 - 2:45 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)


I'm currently watching THE GO-BETWEEN on TCM and the Full Frame version they are showing is driving me nuts.

James


I've become so spoiled by TCM's usual pattern of running films in their orig aspect ratios, so that when they DON'T, I'm just outraged! How can they do that?! Have they lost their minds? heh. doesn't happen all that often, but I don't understand why it happens at all on a channel of TCM's caliber.


It is frustrating. When TCM is broadcasting Turner/Warner films (i.e., pre-1987 MGM or Warner Bros.), they almost always use the proper aspect ratio. But when they show other studios' films ("The Go-Between" is from Columbia), they are at the mercy of whatever print that studio decides to provide. During the past year I've seen TCM run letterboxed prints of minor Columbia crime films from the 1950s. These were probably transferred recently since they've likely not had a television airing since the video era began. But I recorded "The Go-Between" off the Bravo channel about 20 years ago. The full-frame version that I taped then is probably the same transfer that was provided to TCM now. Columbia hasn't seen fit to re-do the transfer in widescreen since "The Go-Between hasn't had a domestic DVD release. TCM's choice is to run the full-frame version or to not show the film. I'm glad they decided to show the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2010 - 2:49 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Numerous other titles on the archive site say 16x9 full frame and that's what they are - enhanced widescreen 1.85 (1.78) transfers. 'Scope films with enhanced transfers are listed as 16x9 letterbox. Non-enhanced widescreen titles are listed as 4x3 letterbox; Academy ratio titles are listed as 4x3 full frame. My guess is AGATHA will be an enhanced 16x9 transfer.

The 1998 Warner laserdisc of Agatha was letterboxed at 1.85:1 (non-anamorphically of course). I can't imagine that they would re-do the transfer for DVD at 1.33:1. At the very least, they would re-use the laserdisc transfer.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2010 - 3:11 AM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

There is usually discussion on TCM's own forum when they show a film in the wrong aspect ratio. A few months ago the version they showed of Godard's Contempt was not only scanned but dubbed. They explained that they had received the wrong transfer and would correct the problem when the film airs again (though I haven't seen it rescheduled yet). They also have showed a panned and scanned print of Otto Preminger's Skidoo and explained that this was the only version they could get from Paramount.

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2010 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Numerous other titles on the archive site say 16x9 full frame and that's what they are - enhanced widescreen 1.85 (1.78) transfers. 'Scope films with enhanced transfers are listed as 16x9 letterbox. Non-enhanced widescreen titles are listed as 4x3 letterbox; Academy ratio titles are listed as 4x3 full frame. My guess is AGATHA will be an enhanced 16x9 transfer.

so there's a general misunderstanding that FULL FRAME means FULL SCREEN (as in 4x3). However, everyone seems to be ignoring the AR which is clearly stated as 16x9.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2010 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

Numerous other titles on the archive site say 16x9 full frame and that's what they are - enhanced widescreen 1.85 (1.78) transfers. 'Scope films with enhanced transfers are listed as 16x9 letterbox. Non-enhanced widescreen titles are listed as 4x3 letterbox; Academy ratio titles are listed as 4x3 full frame. My guess is AGATHA will be an enhanced 16x9 transfer.

so there's a general misunderstanding that FULL FRAME means FULL SCREEN (as in 4x3). However, everyone seems to be ignoring the AR which is clearly stated as 16x9.


Well, check out their listing for THE ABDICATION:

http://www.wbshop.com/Abdication-The/1000087945,default,pd.html?cgid=ZARCHIVEALL

Lists the film as the same aspect ratio and if you look at the clip, it is obviously not 16X9.

And oddly, MEN DON'T LEAVE states the same aspect ratio but if you look at the clip, it's as you state:

http://www.wbshop.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-WB-Site/default/Product-Show?pid=1000116771

I guess you always have to take their disclaimer into account:

Important Note: This film has been manufactured from the best-quality video master currently available and has not been remastered or restored specifically for this DVD and Digital Download release.

James

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2010 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Pete Apruzzese   (Member)

The clip from Abdication is actually 16x9 - it's just being shown horizontally compressed (check out the extra-long face). When they made the clip they forgot to expand it width-wise.

The clip from Men Don't Leave is 'scope within 16x9, so their listing for it is incorrect, it should be listed as 16x9 letterbox.

As with all movie sales sites, typos and listing inconsistencies do crop up.

 
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