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 Posted:   Jul 5, 2020 - 6:59 PM   
 By:   fmfan1   (Member)

In ticking-bomb type climaxes, films often invite derision by showing an unbelievable number of events happening in too short of time. This could be easily avoided by just adding more time to the countdown.

I just saw this on Octopussy, when there are about 5 minutes left on the nuclear bomb countdown clock BEFORE Bond goes into the trailer and puts on clown make-up and a costume. Yet Bond is then able to transform himself into a clown, leave the trailer and get to the tent, fight off some circus employees, convince the base commander, fight through more people, plead some more, and then watch Octopussy shoot open a lock.

Saw another example recently on Star Trek: Next Generation when in (something like) 4 or 5 minutes, the entire crew (save for a few officers in the holodeck) evacuate the ship before it will supposedly be destroyed.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2020 - 4:15 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Yup, it's like that at the end of Goldfinger. It keeps cutting back to the countdown clock on the atomic bomb. I haven't seen it for many years, but as I remember, you see the clock & then about five minutes of action, cut back to the clock & a minute has passed. Actually it would be easy to check these days with a Blu-ray running at the correct speed, just time it with a stopwatch & see if the countdown clock stays in sync.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2020 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

In ticking-bomb type climaxes, films often invite derision by showing an unbelievable number of events happening in too short of time. This could be easily avoided by just adding more time to the countdown.

A recent example of this, which is also one of the most egregious that I have seen, is from The Force Awakens. Starkiller Base is set to blow up the system the Resistance Base is located in, and it will take 15 minutes for it to charge the super cannon. In that time period (with a few seconds to spare) Rey, Finn, Han, and Chewie accomplish an extraordinary amount of things on the base, and travel quite a bit of distance on foot, including setting bombs to make the base vulnerable to the X-Wings, Han confronting Kylo Ren, with Finn, Rey, and Chewie watching, Kylo Ren confronting Rey and Finnn somewhere in the forest, and Chewie locating the Falcon, getting it ready for take off, and locating Finn and Rey.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2020 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

People eating really sloppily to show they are bad and vulgar they are. Usually a fat man in a position of authority decimating some chicken.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2020 - 6:29 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

...someone grabs at a tree branch to swing up into the tree, and it's blatantly obvious that the branch is just a perfectly-smooth gymnast's bar with a couple of leaves in the foreground to (barely) disguise it? Check 2:27 into this video for a perfect example of this:
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2020 - 6:47 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The "surprise" villain that comes out of nowhere. Been happening a lot in animated films lately. We hardly know these characters nor do our protagonists have any history with them. So the surprise reveal leaves me cold. (Frozen and Coco.)

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2020 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

The "surprise" villain that comes out of nowhere. Been happening a lot in animated films lately. We hardly know these characters nor do our protagonists have any history with them. So the surprise reveal leaves me cold. (Frozen and Coco.)

This is partly a response to the gradual extinction of the traditional "Disney Villain", who is obviously capital "E" Evil from frame one. Disney doesn't want to paint "bad guys" in strict shades of irredeemable black, so they try to disguise the villain until late in the proceedings. Plus, it gives a "Keyser Soze" moment for parents in the audience to go, "Aha...!"

I miss the days when you had a hissable baddie from the beginning of the movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2020 - 6:02 AM   
 By:   fmfan1   (Member)

...characters celebrate at the end of a movie (kiss, share a laugh, give high fives, etc.) even though they have just been through a traumatic experience, others in the close group of friends have died over the course of the movie, hundreds of innocent people have lost their lives, or dozens of other soldiers/cops who were on some raid with the main characters have perished just moments ago?

I'm looking at you Die Hard 2 ! Didn't a plane full of innocent men, women, and children just crash a little while ago? Cue a parking ticket joke and zippy music!

See also: the ending of most James Bond movies

Counter-example: The family at the end of Poltergeist is silent and exhausted.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2020 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I miss the days when you had a hissable baddie from the beginning of the movie.

Me too. Even in a film called Maleficent! They turn the tables on the story and its the King who's the villain. And notice all the surprise baddies are white men. I wonder if Disney will make Ursula the victim in the live action Little Mermaid movie? The "Prince" will end up the villain. I said it here first!

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2020 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

...characters celebrate at the end of a movie (kiss, share a laugh, give high fives, etc.) even though they have just been through a traumatic experience, others in the close group of friends have died over the course of the movie, hundreds of innocent people have lost their lives, or dozens of other soldiers/cops who were on some raid with the main characters have perished just moments ago?


Yeah, that always drives me nuts.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2020 - 7:04 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The protagonist is secretly dating the Bosses, Politicians, Generals, or Police Chiefs daughter.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2020 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

All car chases go on for far too long, & in Bourne films, all chases go on far too long.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2020 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

This happens a lot but happened in Hanna tv series I just watched: hero is with baddie, baddie has to leave, tells two henchmen to "kill him", henchmen are killed. But then nobody checks in with the henchmen again apparently. So a dozen hours later or the next day nobody is aware the hero has been driving around in a stolen company vehicle or that they're still alive.

Also Hanna is filled with stuntmen with guns running up to people to be disarmed.

And if you're not onscreen you disappear from existence, so that you can't shoot the hero as you'd have the time and means, until you appear back in frame just to be killed.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2020 - 8:30 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

...the third act kicks off with the "Han Solo Moment", where a supporting character who's "just in it for the money" cuts and runs right before the climax where the heroes are facing certain doom against overwhelming odds, only to come back when all hope seems lost and give an assist at just the right moment? No one ever rightfully gives this character shit for leaving in the first place afterwards when their presence during the majority of the battle could have saved countless lives (Chicken Run being a rare exception).

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2020 - 8:42 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

...the third act kicks off with the "Han Solo Moment", where a supporting character who's "just in it for the money" cuts and runs right before the climax where the heroes are facing certain doom against overwhelming odds, only to come back when all hope seems lost and give an assist at just the right moment? No one ever rightfully gives this character shit for leaving in the first place afterwards when their presence during the majority of the battle could have saved countless lives (Chicken Run being a rare exception).

Something I always wondered regarding Star Wars. Did Han have a plan all along or come back to save Luke out of guilt? When Luke says, "Take care of yourself, I guess that's what your best at" and walks away. Chewie growls at Han in a disapproving way and Han replied, "Don't worry, I know what I'm doing". So I'm thinking he was going to hide out and wait until the right moment to make a surprise attack.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2020 - 1:40 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

Something I always wondered regarding Star Wars. Did Han have a plan all along or come back to save Luke out of guilt? When Luke says, "Take care of yourself, I guess that's what your best at" and walks away. Chewie growls at Han in a disapproving way and Han replied, "Don't worry, I know what I'm doing". So I'm thinking he was going to hide out and wait until the right moment to make a surprise attack.

I disagree Sol. I think he came back out of guilt/it was the right thing to do. Also, Chewie wouldn't have shut up about it.

I always took the comment "Don't worry, I know what I'm doing" as Han trying to shut Chewie up while at the same time convincing himself he's doing the right thing by leaving.

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2020 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Something I always wondered regarding Star Wars. Did Han have a plan all along or come back to save Luke out of guilt? When Luke says, "Take care of yourself, I guess that's what your best at" and walks away. Chewie growls at Han in a disapproving way and Han replied, "Don't worry, I know what I'm doing". So I'm thinking he was going to hide out and wait until the right moment to make a surprise attack.

I disagree Sol. I think he came back out of guilt/it was the right thing to do. Also, Chewie wouldn't have shut up about it.

I always took the comment "Don't worry, I know what I'm doing" as Han trying to shut Chewie up while at the same time convincing himself he's doing the right thing by leaving.

I'm not convinced either way but your read on the situation is probably the intent.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2020 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Exterior shot of high school or college. Bells ring signalling the end of school day. Immediately a hoard of kids rushes out the exits. From what I recall, you had to pack your books and things, leave the class room, go to your locker, maybe to the bathroom as well. Yet in films a hundred kids are already behind the exit doors ready to bust out into the parking lot.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2020 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   madmovyman   (Member)

...when the bad guy gets away with it - Darth Vader, that murdering scum.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 7:54 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

Maybe this has been mentioned before, but I was just thinking the other day...

Every time a movie character steps up to a microphone to address a large crowd, you always hear feedback just before they speak.

 
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