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 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 11:34 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

AMericans often got short changed on Capitol's domestic versions (less songs, re-sequencing etc,) but not this time!

iirc the UK version had no underscore at all
right?
brm


True, except the average teenager in the 1960s (the album's target audience) probably would've chosen the UK's 14 Beatles songs over the US's 7 Beatles songs plus 5 orchestral tracks. It's only as score fans that we see it from this perspective (in other words, probably in the minority).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2016 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


True, except the average teenager in the 1960s (the album's target audience) probably would've chosen the UK's 14 Beatles songs over the US's 7 Beatles songs plus 5 orchestral tracks. It's only as score fans that we see it from this perspective (in other words, probably in the minority).


The Goldfinger LP was a huge seller, so somebody must have wanted those score tracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2016 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)


True, except the average teenager in the 1960s (the album's target audience) probably would've chosen the UK's 14 Beatles songs over the US's 7 Beatles songs plus 5 orchestral tracks. It's only as score fans that we see it from this perspective (in other words, probably in the minority).


The Goldfinger LP was a huge seller, so somebody must have wanted those score tracks.



Yeah, you might be right, assuming that a large number of the purchasers of those "Goldfinger" LPs were teenagers. The average teenager of the 1960s was perhaps more open-minded about things like that than those of today who've probably never heard of all the composer names we read every day on this website. To them, it's Taylor Swift and whatever other singer/band is popular these days, and *only* them. (Just like we all have our own little musical niches and holes we're admittedly stuck in. I'm guilty of this too.)

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2016 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

As to the film score, I recently watched Help! again (and still love it) and have revised my corrected track list for those whom might be interested and are also chronological "purists":

1. The Bitter End
2. “James Bond” Intro
3. Another Hard Day’s Night
4. From Me To You Fantasy
5. In The Tyrol
6. You Can’t Do That Fantasy
7. Awards Ceremony
8. Can't Buy Me Love Fantasy
9. A Hard Day's Night/She’s A Woman Fantasy
10. You Can't Do That Fantasy Part 2
11. She's A Woman-A Hard Day's Night Fantasy
12. End Titles ("The Beatles Of Seville")

I was surprised that there isn't that much more score in the film. Sadly missing are a few of my favorite cues, such as the music when Clang's men are boarding the ice cream truck; the Beatle's ski escape scene (both scenes use Thorne's "She's A Woman" cues) and another when the Beatles are riding their bikes in circles deciding to "go back and get 'em" ("I'm Happy Just To Dance With You" Thorne cue).
I didn't time it but I'd venture a guess that those and a few other cues likely add up to only five minutes or slightly more. I feel a little less cheated now.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2016 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I love the score tracks on the soundtrack album. I can't explain why they go so well with the songs, but they do.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2016 - 4:17 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

As to the film score, I recently watched Help! again (and still love it) and have revised my corrected track list for those whom might be interested and are also chronological "purists"...

Thanks for this. Did you determine if there is a longer arrangement arrangement of the so-called "James Bond Intro" in the film, or do they in fact loop part of of it?

Also, did you see my earlier question re: "Can't Buy Me Love?"

Thanks in advance!

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2016 - 4:54 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

I love the score tracks on the soundtrack album. I can't explain why they go so well with the songs, but they do.

I agree, Solium. My friends and fellow Beatles fans never understood why I would always listen to the score tracks on the Capitol album when I was a kid.

I think they work because most of them are Thorne's excellent versions of Beatles' songs.

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2016 - 5:04 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

As to the film score, I recently watched Help! again (and still love it) and have revised my corrected track list for those whom might be interested and are also chronological "purists"...

Thanks for this. Did you determine if there is a longer arrangement arrangement of the so-called "James Bond Intro" in the film, or do they in fact loop part of of it?

Also, did you see my earlier question re: "Can't Buy Me Love?"

Thanks in advance!


Glad to help. As far as I can tell, the "James Bond Intro" is mostly looped due to the way it is done, but there are at least a few extra notes in there. The section with the guitar and strings seems to be looped or just repeated. It plays for about 40 seconds in the film, whereas it is only about 15 seconds on the album.

I apologize that I missed your previous question, but yes, you are correct, "Can't Buy Me Love" is used in that clip and in the film. It is in the scene in which Clang fires the flamethrower umbrella at the Beatles, lighting their ski poles afire as they ski down the hill.

Again, I believe and am glad that there's probably only a little more than five minutes missing from the film score.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2017 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

When are we going to get a release of the complete Ken Thorne Help! score?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2017 - 3:37 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

I remember when as a kid I saw the movie on its first run, I was impressed by the scoring of the scene where the fab four ski down nocturnal slopes lit by their hand-held flares. My first awareness of the talented Mr. Thorne.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2017 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I remember when as a kid I saw the movie on its first run, I was impressed by the scoring of the scene where the fab four ski down nocturnal slopes lit by their hand-held flares. My first awareness of the talented Mr. Thorne.

Do you have the Ken Thorne CD with the 12-minute suite?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2017 - 12:16 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

No -- I don't think so. (I can't be definitive, because by now I've collected so damn many albums that I'm always discovering on my shelves CD's I didn't remember I had.) Do you happen to know if it's still available? I must go Googling for it...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2017 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

No -- I don't think so. (I can't be definitive, because by now I've collected so damn many albums that I'm always discovering on my shelves CD's I didn't remember I had.) Do you happen to know if it's still available? I must go Googling for it...

I think it is called the Film Music of Ken Thorne Vol. 2 or something. The suite omits the Wagner and sitar music heard on the soundtrack LP but has more orchestral music than was heard on the LP.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2017 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

No -- I don't think so. (I can't be definitive, because by now I've collected so damn many albums that I'm always discovering on my shelves CD's I didn't remember I had.) Do you happen to know if it's still available? I must go Googling for it...

I think it is called the Film Music of Ken Thorne Vol. 2 or something. The suite omits the Wagner and sitar music heard on the soundtrack LP but has more orchestral music than was heard on the LP.


There's a YouTube link further up in this thread.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2017 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Thanks, Guys. I think I do have that Volume 2 around here somewhere. Now, where did I...?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2018 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

So when are we going to get a complete release of this score?

Does Beatles involvement complicate matters?

Do tracks mixing Lennon/McCartney and Ken Thorne content present publishing challenges?

I'm sure there would not be any photos of the Fabs on the cover or booklet. But could there be movie stills with other characters?

Would the album title be an issue, as it was with the rejected score for "Chinatown?" Could the album be titled, for example, "Eight Arms to Hold You" - the original working title of the film?

Have any labels expressed an interest in releasing this?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2018 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Bump.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2018 - 1:01 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

So, having just purchased the CD with the 11 minute suite from Help!, and with the release of La La Land's Superman II/III, I'll repeat Onya's quesition: When will we see the release of Ken Thorne's complete Help! score?

 
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