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Am I the only one who likes Spock's voiceover? Are we, as soundtrack fans, so averse to the human voice that anything is considered an intrusion? Or is this oversensitivity from hundreds of albums that have included "bonus" dialogue or sound effects? I wouldn't go so far as to call Spock's words "poetry," but it is a narration for which the score was specifically composed, just as Copland's "Lincoln Portrait" was composed to be integrated with narration. And yes, I know that this argument could be taken to illogical (!) extremes and suggest that all dialogue and sound effects be plastered on top… but of course, that would be ludicrous. This was a creative choice, and it would be mine, too. And since the producer of the CD apparently agreed with me, I win!
Yeah. The psychopathic hatred of voices is baffling.
One example: complaining about Rutger Hauser monologue on." Tears in Rain" from.BR.
That' speech is poetry set to music. Learn to love it.
The Schiffy Illumination
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If you really want to see somebody slag Goldsmith, try critic Tall Guy, from a 1977 review:
"Jerry Goldsmith's music is, once again, unforgivable. I cannot believe that, for a little more money, better composers couldn't be found than the ones currently befouling the sound tracks of American movies."
Love ya Chris 
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Star Trek II is ranked #131 on Amazon's music sales (you get that at the product page).
Let's revise that to #129 - I just checked. Way cool.
That's cuz I bought my copy at Amoeba.
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Apr 6, 2019 - 8:17 PM
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Solium
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Am I the only one who likes Spock's voiceover? Are we, as soundtrack fans, so averse to the human voice that anything is considered an intrusion? Or is this oversensitivity from hundreds of albums that have included "bonus" dialogue or sound effects? I wouldn't go so far as to call Spock's words "poetry," but it is a narration for which the score was specifically composed, just as Copland's "Lincoln Portrait" was composed to be integrated with narration. And yes, I know that this argument could be taken to illogical (!) extremes and suggest that all dialogue and sound effects be plastered on top… but of course, that would be ludicrous. This was a creative choice, and it would be mine, too. And since the producer of the CD apparently agreed with me, I win!
Yeah. The psychopathic hatred of voices is baffling.
One example: complaining about Rutger Hauser monologue on." Tears in Rain" from.BR.
That' speech is poetry set to music. Learn to love it.
The Schiffy Illumination
I generally hate voice overs and dialog on soundtracks. Some fine OST's were ruined by this approach. The main point of a soundtrack is so you can enjoy the score isolated from the rest of the film.
That said I never had a problem with Spocks voice over on the album. As stated the monologue was meant to go with the music. They are together one voice. (Though I'm happy to have the version without the narration too) I also really love Rutger Hauser's monologue in Tears in the Rain.
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Thor Haga wrote:
"After purchasing this title i am forced to concede i was wrong about the need for an expanded version of this fine score.
There are several cues that are more atmospheric and menacing than anything included on the GNP ost, which emphasised the orchestral showpieces.
More of the great Spock theme also!
and incredible sound."
Wow!
Hard to believe.
Isn't it? 
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Am I the only one who likes Spock's voiceover? Are we, as soundtrack fans, so averse to the human voice that anything is considered an intrusion? Or is this oversensitivity from hundreds of albums that have included "bonus" dialogue or sound effects? I wouldn't go so far as to call Spock's words "poetry," but it is a narration for which the score was specifically composed, just as Copland's "Lincoln Portrait" was composed to be integrated with narration. And yes, I know that this argument could be taken to illogical (!) extremes and suggest that all dialogue and sound effects be plastered on top… but of course, that would be ludicrous. This was a creative choice, and it would be mine, too. And since the producer of the CD apparently agreed with me, I win!
Yeah. The psychopathic hatred of voices is baffling.
One example: complaining about Rutger Hauser monologue on." Tears in Rain" from.BR.
That' speech is poetry set to music. Learn to love it.
The Schiffy Illumination
I generally hate voice overs and dialog on soundtracks. Some fine OST's were ruined by this approach. The main point of a soundtrack is so you can enjoy the score isolated from the rest of the film.
That said I never had a problem with Spocks voice over on the album. As stated the monologue was meant to go with the music. They are together one voice. (Though I'm happy to have the version without the narration too) I also really love Rutger Hauser's monologue in Tears in the Rain.
So we are 100 percent agreement!
The Marshall/ Solium Convocation
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Yeah. The psychopathic hatred of voices is baffling.
One example: complaining about Rutger Hauser monologue on." Tears in Rain" from.BR.
That' speech is poetry set to music. Learn to love it.
Why? We won.
" All glory is fleeting"
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Thor Haga wrote:
"After purchasing this title i am forced to concede i was wrong about the need for an expanded version of this fine score.
There are several cues that are more atmospheric and menacing than anything included on the GNP ost, which emphasised the orchestral showpieces.
More of the great Spock theme also!
and incredible sound."
Wow!
Hard to believe.
Isn't it?
Nice to see Thor " evolving'
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Why did ' Arch Stanton' post this?
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ZapBrannigan: Is Leonard's voiceover on the FSM CD the same exact take as it was on GNP? It seemed a tad different to me.
Other Tallguy: It's been a really long time since I've heard the LP (almost 20 years) but the GNP version had a very pronounced echo effect that the film and (I think) the original LP did not have. The FSM version SEEMS to be somewhere between the two. Lukas can say for certain, I'd guess.
Neil S. Bulk: Yes, it absolutely is, though some spurious sounds from the original recording have been removed. Spock now sounds better than ever!
Neil
FIFTEEN YEARS LATER....
So, I ran across this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWSfHty0Xkg (About 38:11.)
Obviously the sound isn't as good as either the FSM CD or the LLL. But the voice over is definitely drier and does not have the echo or reverb that has been on all three CD releases of this score. Maybe it was always there and it was a limitation of vinyl that we couldn't hear it. Who knows? (I bet there are people who know.)
I'm thrilled at all three CDs I have of this score (especially the last one). But I'm also happy to know that I'm not crazy and the voice over did sound less "ghostly" and more like the film back in the day. Yes, I know, the film sounds different from the album as well.
We now return you to the present day.
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I have the GNP CD also and the Retrograde/FSM CD.